HalfAndHalf wrote: » Ah and now the non-proven ‘facts’ get thrown back. I don’t have to prove your point for you, YOU need to show the facts to back up your weak point!
Dempo1 wrote: » I understand the EU has paid for a set amount of doses but if logic dictates the product in question was at time yet to be actually produced, let alone approved, how could the company be able to determine an actual delivery date, in essence the company could easily say, we'll get to you eventually. It might seem far fetched but I strongly suspect AZ "s lawyers have their T" s crossed whilst typically the EU wants it cake and eat it.
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » Weak research on your part Educate yourself on the important of efficacy in the approval process.
Pinoy adventure wrote: » There getting a higher price elsewhere
HalfAndHalf wrote: » Weak! You don’t work for the EMA and you don’t know what they approve on! Excuses excuses!
Dressoutlet wrote: » Happy to be shown the reality.
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » They dont approve based on safety or not. They approve a product and the dosage. If they approved based on safety alone it would have been approved in September.
NeuralNetwork wrote: » The European Commission is concerned about where its money went basically. AstraZeneca were paid €336 million as a downpayment to assist with the R&D and production expansion effort and there's a commitment to order €750m worth of product from them. That isn't small change. Stella Kyriakides, European Commissioner for Health and Food Safety's statement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLIs2tZ7Cp4 As to what's happening. The answer is we don't know, but by the looks of it we'll be finding out shortly. She seems to be absolutely furious and I don't think they would kick off that level of undiplomatic language without there being more to this than a little misunderstanding. Hopefully that's all it is though, but we'll see. There's a meeting tonight.
Dressoutlet wrote: » The EU jeopardising the health of one country to spite another Warren's a little more than having a 'hump' It's a downright dangerous precedent and should be nipped on the bud completely. Yes we would be short of vaccines but that would be the fdault of the EU trying to play supreme ruler and not because the company rightfully pulled out.
HalfAndHalf wrote: » What has a rollout regemin got to do with if it’s safe or not? You’re deflecting again. No answers, no response.
Hurrache wrote: » None of this post has any relationship to the reality though.
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » As I said If anyone wants to complain about the approval not coming through I want them to explain the data and their favoured dosage regimen. Dont just complain. If you want an approval tell me what they should approve. What dosage regimen and why. Edit: the uk came out and said they didnt know what the efficacy was for their chosen dosage regimen. That's a shortcut.
Amirani wrote: » Except that's not what happened at all.
Dressoutlet wrote: » Tbh I'm pissed off at the EU telling Ireland we can't have a supply ready for when it's approved. They're taking their time and punishing the UK for brexit (not a fan of brexit myself, I support the EU) but risking the rest of our health's for spite. AZ should tell the EU to go fxxk themselves.
Russman wrote: » Ireland is the EU and a company can’t release unapproved medicinal products before they’re approved. It’s not the EU just saying we can’t. You really want us to go short of vaccines because you have the hump with the EU ?
HalfAndHalf wrote: » Please don’t talk to me like I’m an idiot! You don’t need to ‘make it simple when you’re changing the subject as you don’t actually have an answer! UK didn’t take shortcuts either, or the other countries that have approved it. They amended the approval process to speed things up due to it being a reasonably serious situation. But keep making excuses of it helps you feel warm and fuzzy.
Dressoutlet wrote: » No, Brussels told Ireland they are not to order doses.
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » Lets see if I can make it simple. Data is bad. Ema need to take time and do due diligence to study the data in depth. Ema wont take shortcuts.
HalfAndHalf wrote: » Yep, we know all this, it was widely reported, it still doesn’t answer your initial response of what’s this got to do with the fact we’re still 4 days away from it being approved!
Donald Trump wrote: » Because they are not taking shortcuts? Or allowing exceptions that wouldn't normally be allowed? Hardly limp-wristed is it? UK seem happy enough to bung over a large wad and start injecting it into their citizens without asking too many questions. Seems like the UK basically kinda said "ok, we trust you guys and won't question you."
Mike3549 wrote: » Its not EU who tells that, its AZ
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » Astra Zenaca did a trial based on the second dose being 3 weeks after the first dose. The efficacy was 62%. They had a second regimen of a half dose and then 4-5 months later a full dose with efficacy of around 90%. Astra Zenaca said that this was wrong and it was flawed. Astra Zenaca have then come up with a 3rd regimen with very little data of taking one dose and 12 weeks later taking a second dose. There was next to no trial data on it bus Astra zenaca said they thing it's the best based on some lab based data. If we are to approve the vaccine and a dosage regimen we should have some better data. Hopefully the ema have better data now but the above is a summary of what they had last time.
Danzy wrote: » They could pull the finger out and get it approved. The response has been pretty limp wristed for the last few months.
Donald Trump wrote: » The main connection with Brexit was that Brexit allowed the UK ruling classes to use the workers as guinea pigs for the vaccine roll out It also allows the UK to jump the queue and outbid the EU countries and potentially start a bidding war for short-term optics.
HalfAndHalf wrote: » What’s that got to do with the time it’s taking to sign off on the AZ vaccine. That’s just deflecting! They’ve all jumped into throwing their weight around yet we’re still 4 days off from them approving the vaccine they’re moaning they won’t get enough of anyway!
