steddyeddy wrote: » His (O’Connell's) two sons were given priority over frontline workers. Either the protocol for leftovers wasn't followed or worse yet, there is no protocol. You can't tell me that you believe two frontline workers to take the place of his sons could be found.
seamus wrote: » Your starting point is irrational. You're suggesting that he should have just started randomly contacting....people. What people? Where would he get their details? Do you think there's a HSE database of "high risk people" that someone can log onto and get phone numbers?
Amirani wrote: » Because it has been reported in every story on the issue.
bucketybuck wrote: » Its crazy that people still can't see the real issue here. It isn't about this particular 16 vials or who got them. The problem is that it is clearly very simple to abuse the system. Want to make sure your family gets vaccinated first? Do it and then claim that the vials were going to go to waste otherwise. You have to be incredibly naïve not to think that there are people out there who won't take advantage of that loophole.
Lu Tze wrote: » Really, they would have been wasted? They were in a hospital, was there nobody left in the hospital that was higher up the priority list that they had resort to ringing up family members and wait for them to travel to the hospital?
seamus wrote: » So you don't know of any nearby frontline workers that were overlooked then. Grand.At the time there was no protocol for leftovers. There wasn't even a proper IT system in place for booking people in. Work experience. Also, the Coombe is not private.
steddyeddy wrote: » 110%. His two sons got the jab before other nurse who are now complaining about it. The fact they see nothing wrong with that is telling. The vaccines last 8 hours (2 hours to dilute after you remove them from the freezer and 6 once you dilute them).
plodder wrote: » It's in the link. Vials can be kept for 5 days after thawing in the fridge. Once taken from the fridge they are brought to room temperature and must be diluted within two hours and then used within 6 hours. 120 spare doses is 20 vials. I don't see why you would need that number out of the fridge at the same time.
Bambi wrote: » Surely it was just to ensure vaccinations weren't wasted, rather than the cute hoorism that public sector is famous for. It's just so happens that senior managers grannies were the only ones available to hop in the jammer and floor it to reach the hospital in time. Seems to be a lot of willfully gullible types posting on here
Lillyfae wrote: » Can I just ask why someone would be volunteering in a private maternity hospital?
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Sinn Féin on a mad one. Surprise surprise.
seamus wrote: » And what, though? Transfer a patient from an acute hospital to a maternity hospital just so you can jab them, and then send them back again? Have staff members from another hospital come in, risking contamination of the maternity hospital? There's lots of great ideas in hindsight, but when you're on the clock you can't make rash decisions. They weren't given to kids. They were the adult children of the Master of the Coombe, who also work in the hospital on a part time bases. The Irish Times has framed this whole thing to sound like he called his wife and she drove the X-7 down with some five year olds in the back seat to get the vaccines.
steddyeddy wrote: » There's definitely a far bigger story here. Friends of mine still working in other hospitals state that administration workers in other hospitals have got it before frontline workers. They have contacted the media as well.
seamus wrote: » You quoted a nurse in Tipperary. What frontline workers in Dublin weren't contacted? .
DraftDodger wrote: » There is going to be lots and lots of this kind of stuff going on in the coming weeks and months and it won't be confined to this country either. As the son of a 82 year old father and a 79 year old mother who are basically confined to the house until they get their second jab to hear of people jumping queues is maddening.
GreeBo wrote: » Isnt the whole vial diluted though? And assuming the have more than one person giving the vaccines, you are going to have more than 1 vial on the go at once. Also the entire tray is taken from -70 storage and put into a regular storage, the vaccine has a limited lifespan from that point, diluted or not.
steddyeddy wrote: » He prioritised his sons at the expense of frontline workers. He's right to apologise but there's certainly a lack of an effective back up made in case more became available. Do you also not see anything wrong with launching a vaccine dispensing program before a booking system was available?
Kaisr Sose wrote: » I have and do work with these types.. Frustrating souls. Indecision is generally a decision. A decision not to waste them was a good decision, better than waste. The main story here is how the Coombe staff recieve vaccination over or ahead of other frontline hospitals dealing with Covid patients (e.g. Nenagh Hospital initially told there was no vaccine for them — apologies if this is already stated in thread). That surely is a bigger story when trying to suppress this virus than the 16 doses, that in fairness, went to use.
steddyeddy wrote: » Seamus is ringing up another hospital (in Dublin even) is "chaos" then you expect very little of your healthcare system.
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » I think this happened on their last day. If it happens in day 1 it's a lot easier to pull other hospital staff in by moving up appointments.
