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Statement of Liability 2019

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Hi, anyone here receive a 2019 Statement of Liability yet after filling out an Income Tax Return aka a Form 12?

I thought it would be available by now.

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Dempo1

duffman13 wrote: »

No, both the TWSS and PUP were always taxable. The change after August was to ensure tax was taken at source so further bills wouldn't arise for employees.

Not quite, TWSS and PUP Have never been taxed at source, PUP continues not to be taxed at source, the argument was to do with clarifying if these payments, particularly PUP were classed as emergency payments or taxable benifit /payment. EWSS is taxed at source but PUP remains untaxed at source but is taxable.

applejunkie

Mine still saying being processed. I did mine on the 2nd January. My daughter and son done theirs on Friday and they got their statements yesterday. How is it taking so long &#55357;&#56873;

Bikerguy

applejunkie wrote: »

Mine still saying being processed. I did mine on the 2nd January. My daughter and son done theirs on Friday and they got their statements yesterday. How is it taking so long ��

Portion is getting manually done aka checked...dont forget that...it may be suspect to revision....

Just saying

applejunkie

Bikerguy wrote: »

Portion is getting manually done aka checked...dont forget that...it may be suspect to revision....

Just saying

Wouldn't take long to review. I only put in for 120 euro health expenses , thats it. Hopefully will be there today. Husband was on TWSS for a couple of months early last year so just want to see if we have an underpayment or not.

Bikerguy

applejunkie wrote: »

Wouldn't take long to review. I only put in for 120 euro health expenses , thats it. Hopefully will be there today. Husband was on TWSS for a couple of months early last year so just want to see if we have an underpayment or not.

Sorry ment to say subject revision not suspect... Forgive me...

They are waiting untill officer pass them..... The way they are selected is not disclosed... But you never know...

I hope you get it soon. Thank you

natc

applejunkie wrote: »

Mine still saying being processed. I did mine on the 2nd January. My daughter and son done theirs on Friday and they got their statements yesterday. How is it taking so long ��

I’m in the same boat. I submitted mine on Jan 2nd and waiting and still waiting. Massive problems last year with these statements when people filed them in early Jan. hoping it’s not the same again

Fendy

I just received my sol for 2020, and the overpayment from my medical expenses is due to be offset against a 2018 underpayment, as was my 2019 overpayment, but no adjustment to my tax credits has been made either last year or this year. Should I request a new statement of liability for 2018 or just send an enquiry to revenue.

The Diddakoi

bluefivetwo23 wrote: »

Hi, can anyone help me with this. So I owe them 300 euro but in January this year I paid 600 euro tax on my total pay of 1400ish. (Emergency tax). How do I get back this money that I paid in emergency tax? I have been paid since but didn’t get it back in my most recent pay.

Emergency tax deducted from you this year will be refunded to you through your employer in your payslip, not from Revenue.

Check on myAccount that you only have one active employment for 2021, and that all your credits and SRCOP are allocated to this employment on a cumulative basis.

Pacifico

Still not there ðŸ˜”

dublinstuff

"Regrettably we cannot take your call at this time" is the latest message when calling the PAYE phone service this morning. In other words, they have switched their phones off. They have absolutely no regard for PAYE employees. My role was made redundant last year and I am due a substantial rebate. Nothing has changed since last year's shambles.

duffman13

Pacifico wrote: »

Still not there ðŸ˜”

Might be good news so. Mine only went up today and its a substantial overpayment so not such a blue Monday for me anyway

tiredblondie

Mine showed up this morning - underpayment of 34euro!!
Now that does include health expenses of approx 180euro
I was on TWSS for 6 weeks, continued to work all throughout and top up done by employee
I never once came out with anything extra in my wages

But i was on illness benefit for 2 months early last year and i think / thought all along something was done incorrectly by employer with this - i was paid by employer as normal for the 2 months and they got the illness benefit - so i paid my tax as normal but then i got a tax bill off revenue for the illness benefit for 300euro or thereabouts and credits were reduced from May to Dec- so it seemed to me i was taxed twice - i know illness benefit is taxable but i still ended up paying tax twice no matter what way its looked at!

So my guess is that i got a low underpayment as it balanced itself out

Recliner

Got mine today. I underpaid by just over €1,000. I could cry.

Former Coach

Dempo1 wrote: »

Not quite, TWSS and PUP Have never been taxed at source, PUP continues not to be taxed at source, the argument was to do with clarifying if these payments, particularly PUP were classed as emergency payments or taxable benifit /payment. EWSS is taxed at source but PUP remains untaxed at source but is taxable.

Taxation of PUP was just discussed on RTÉ radio news. Brian Dobson questioned that the early PUP payments were under ‘Urgent needs payments’ and therefore not liable to tax. Minister for Social Protection , however, categorically shot this down and said that all social welfare payments are subject to tax.

Former Coach

From Irish Independent Jan. 7th 2021

Tax bill coming for many who received wage subsidy or PUP

THOUSANDS of workers whose employer received the first Government subsidy are set to get tax bills next week. Others in receipt of the Pandemic Unemployment Payment (PUP) may also owe tax People who benefited from the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme (TWSS) did not have in come tax or Universal Social Charge (USC) deducted at source for the subsidy amount and

are now facing tax bills. Some of those who got the subsidy or the PUP will be facing bills of

more than €1,000.

Q: How many are impacted by this?

A. Around 443,100 people received payments under the TWSS last year. The scheme provid ed income support to eligible employers, where the business activities have been negatively impacted by the pandemic but who continued to keep employees on the payroll.

Tax-balancing statements showing the amount of income tax and USC owed are set to be sent out by Revenue on January 15. This means that people on the TWSS and PUP will have to work out how to pay the tax bills

Q: I am on the PUP Will I have a tax bill?

Tax may be due on the PUP, as it is not taxed when it is paid. It is liable for income tax at the end of the year. The payment for those who have lost their jobs as a result of Covid restric tions was originally introduced on March 13 as an urgent-needs payment, making it exempt from income tax under the Social Welfare Act

natc

Former Coach wrote: »

Taxation of PUP was just discussed on RTÉ radio news. Brian Dobson questioned that the early PUP payments were under ‘Urgent needs payments’ and therefore not liable to tax. Minister for Social Protection , however, categorically shot this down and said that all social welfare payments are subject to tax.

Minister not doing herself any favours there as not all DEASP payments are taxable. Undermining her own statement there. Working Family Payment for example is a tax free payment from DEASP.

natc

Finally got through on the phone and I’m due a refund of over €300! He said the statement is processed its just not issued on to the system yet. I’ll take that though!

[Deleted User]

duffman13 wrote: »

Might be good news so. Mine only went up today and its a substantial overpayment so not such a blue Monday for me anyway

Did you get any notification that it was ready?

I'm getting the updated message today - "We are processing your most recent request. Your Statement of Liability will be available shortly".

Why is the process so slow - is there human involvement in the processing?

cormie35

natc wrote: »

Finally got through on the phone and I’m due a refund of over €300! He said the statement is processed its just not issued on to the system yet. I’ll take that though!

What number did you call?

ibarelycare

I received my SoL over the weekend. It includes the additional credits I applied for a couple of weeks ago (WFH and Medical) and confirms an overpayment, however my Income Tax Return is still showing as "Submitted". Does anyone know if I've to wait for the tax return to be processed, or will the release of the SoL trigger the refund to my bank?

duffman13

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Did you get any notification that it was ready?

I'm getting the updated message today - "We are processing your most recent request. Your Statement of Liability will be available shortly".

Why is the process so slow - is there human involvement in the processing?

No notification, just logged on and requested it, then filled in the rest of the return.

natc

cormie35 wrote: »

What number did you call?

I called (01) 738 3636 but I know there can be different numbers depending on your PPS number. There is a search function on their contact us page to locate the correct number. I was waiting about 10 minutes

The Diddakoi

cormie35 wrote: »

What number did you call?

(01) 738 3636 is the national PAYE helpline.

wonski

Got mine issued this morning.

150 Euro on the way to my account.

Saying that I feel sorry for those who have to pay back due to covid related payments.

Good to hear that you can spread it over few years, makes a difference.

Let's all hope 2021 will be better

Busi_Girl08

wonski wrote: »

Got mine issued this morning.

150 Euro on the way to my account.

Saying that I feel sorry for those who have to pay back due to covid related payments.

Good to hear that you can spread it over few years, makes a difference.

Let's all hope 2021 will be better

I'll be paying it off ASAP if I want to get my 2020 tax credits for the HTB

Although in the grand scheme of things, I still have a job to go to every day, only lost a few hundred quid, am in a position to be looking at houses, so I can quit my moaning I guess

Dressoutlet

The pup payment is marked as a supplementary welfare allowance for the first few weeks
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/supplementary_welfare_schemes/supplementary_welfare_allow.html#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20claimed%20a,are%20waiting%20for%20your%20payment.&text=Supplementary%20Welfare%20Allowance%20is%20not%20a%20taxable%20source%20of%20income.
This is not a taxable source of income. So, my understanding is this does not need to be declared.

wonski

Dressoutlet wrote: »

The pup payment is marked as a supplementary welfare allowance for the first few weeks
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/supplementary_welfare_schemes/supplementary_welfare_allow.html#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20claimed%20a,are%20waiting%20for%20your%20payment.&text=Supplementary%20Welfare%20Allowance%20is%20not%20a%20taxable%20source%20of%20income.
This is not a taxable source of income. So, my understanding is this does not need to be declared.

I don't think it is.

It is marked as liable for tax and usc.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/covid19_pandemic_unemployment_payment.html#:~:text=COVID-19%20Pandemic%20Unemployment%20Payment%20(PUP)%20is%20a%20social,aged%20between%2018%20and%2066.

Dempo1

wonski wrote: »

I don't think it is.

It is marked as liable for tax and usc.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/covid19_pandemic_unemployment_payment.html#:~:text=COVID-19%20Pandemic%20Unemployment%20Payment%20(PUP)%20is%20a%20social,aged%20between%2018%20and%2066.

Completely correct, it's taxable from Day one

Dressoutlet

wonski wrote: »

I don't think it is.

It is marked as liable for tax and usc.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/covid19_pandemic_unemployment_payment.html#:~:text=COVID-19%20Pandemic%20Unemployment%20Payment%20(PUP)%20is%20a%20social,aged%20between%2018%20and%2066.

My payments section from My welfare state panic unemployment payment and Exceptional needs payment. I have payments made as exceptional needs payments so therefore they are not liable to tax. Pup is. The payments I recieved saying ENP are not liable for tax.

I just want to edit and say this is my understanding only, however it could be good argument in court if anyone wants to contest the tax paid for PUP

wonski

Dressoutlet wrote: »

My payments section from My welfare state panic unemployment payment and Exceptional needs payment. I have payments made as exceptional needs payments so therefore they are not liable to tax. Pup is. The payments I recieved saying ENP are not liable for tax.

I just want to edit and say this is my understanding only, however it could be good argument in court if anyone wants to contest the tax paid for PUP

Well you just said PUP is taxed.

The payment you received may not be taxed, but these were not PUP payments, so not sure what food would happen if one wanted to go to court. And why would you. It is taxed as any other income.

Exceptional needs payment or whatever it was may not be, but the PUP is subject to income tax.