Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It’s the highest from a sitting President's own party ever.

The four not voting for him count when the vote is tallied, as they helped make the majority vote bigger.

Watching images of Nat Gd troops in uniform being given a guided tour around the statue hall in the Capitol building a week after the insurrectionists rampaging through the same building is settling after a fashion. If they try a 2nd rampage bid, they won't be met with the reception from last week. As a warning, it should settle into insurrectionist heads.

strandroad

aloyisious wrote: »

Watching images of Nat Gd troops in uniform being given a guided tour around the statue hall in the Capitol building a week after the insurrectio-nists rampaging through the same building is settling after a fashion. If they try a 2nd rampage bid, they won't be met with the reception from last week. As a warning, it should settle into insurrectionist heads.

Are they screening such new troops for Qanon etc leanings I wonder?

jill_valentine

Rjd2 wrote: »

A lot of the House republicans are genuinely scared of the Trump base from a violence POV. Yep they are some who are merely seeking to advance their career, but others are genuinely scared of been killed.

Its all well and good from boards.ie to pontificate but its much more complicated than many suggest.

I'd bet no small amount of money Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib have been under a comparable level of threat since taking office though. I've no doubt the threat is legitimate, but it's a threat they fostered and continue to. They had a chance to neuter him with significant moral cover among middle America, but they arguably let him off the hook instead. It's hard to see how this stabilises the situation for the next few days, and I really don't think the mob was going to be overly discerning about who got a pat on the head and who got hurt last week.

Every day the GOP doesn't take any real step to deal with their pet monster it grows, and it's not always predictable who becomes its target next. They could come to regret letting the opportunity to act with this level of public support pass them by.

Dohnjoe

strandroad wrote: »

Are they screening such new troops for Qanon etc leanings I wonder?

I'd say it would be a prudent decision. Reading comments from Parler is scary stuff, a lot of these angry types seem to be Vets or connected to the military.

Carfacemandog

jill_valentine wrote: »

It's supposedly the 300 Spartans' response to the Persians when they told them to lay down their arms ie surrender. Fine, cool, I get the relevance, but the Persians went on to do exactly that, they slaughtered the Spartans to a man and did, in fact, take their weapons at their leisure from the corpses afterwards? So as a badass battle cry it's rather hollow.

I know that kind of nuance is lost on them, but it's just another one of those things you have to narrow your eyes at every time you see it. Their weird Sparta fetish is absurd in every dimension - show me Sparta on a map today, I can show you Athens no problem.

The Sparta stuff is 100% because Gerard Butler was all muscley and hyper sexualised by Zack Snyder, and shouted where they were before kicking a man down a hole.

That's it. That's all it has to do with. They have no idea that if there was a "bad guy" in that debacle, it was the Spartans (who weren't exactly all about the will of the people, to put it mildly).

I see they stuck him in front of the teleprompter again, hopefully his supporters listen to him. Of course he didn't mean a word of it, we know that, but they do seem to just go on whatever the last thing he said was forgetting the past. Keep him locked up now for he week and leave that be his last words on the matter!!

Tried to watch fox, failed.

He has disavowed the people who stormed the capitol building, he has said no supporter of his can engage in violence and must respect the laws.

Was that so hard like?

Biden must be very frustrated that this clown is going to dominate the early days of his presidency.

Not ideal, but it does need to be done. It can't be allowed to set precedent for what is acceptable from a president. The incitement and the election tampering.

Manchin made some good points yesterday about delaying the trial in the senate and doing it right because he didn't want a re run of the last one. Again, can't see Biden wanting it to drag on for the first 3/4 months of his administration though.

StringerBell wrote: »

I see they stuck him in front of the teleprompter again, hopefully his supporters listen to him. Of course he didn't mean a word of it, we know that, but they do seem to just go on whatever the last thing he said was forgetting the past. Keep him locked up now for he week and leave that be his last words on the matter!!

Tried to watch fox, failed.

He has disavowed the people who stormed the capitol building, he has said no supporter of his can engage in violence and must respect the laws.

Was that so hard like?

To say stuff he clearly doesn't believe and was obviously written for him by someone like Mitch, I'd say he felt like he was choking

DubInMeath wrote: »

To say stuff he clearly doesn't believe and was obviously written for him by someone like Mitch, I'd say he felt like he was choking

Nah he's always just playing a role, it's a reality TV gig to him. He doesn't give a flying **** about what he says once he can continue to do what he wants if that makes sense. Self preservation is his only motivation there.

What most have really hurt today though was not having the ability to live tweet the impeachment session. Must have absolutely killed him!

I'd imagine that statement tonight was crafted by the white House counsel so it can be pointed to as evidence the president has disavowed violence and those who commit violence in his name, throwing those people under the bus is water off his back sure. He does not give a rat's ass about anyone or anything.

I'd bet he is on full on self pity mode at the moment tbh.

StringerBell wrote: »

Biden must be very frustrated that this clown is going to dominate the early days of his presidency.

Not ideal, but it does need to be done. It can't be allowed to set precedent for what is acceptable from a president. The incitement and the election tampering.

Manchin made some good points yesterday about delaying the trial in the senate and doing it right because he didn't want a re run of the last one. Again, can't see Biden wanting it to drag on for the first 3/4 months of his administration though.

If he does a Gerald Ford a lot of people will never forgive him.
Sure the trump supporters aren't going to be happy but nothing he does will make them happy anyway.
I know he wants to try and be seen as bringing back some form of unity, but if he does pardon trump or anyone associated with his administration it's just sends out the wrong signal to these type of people.

StringerBell wrote: »

Nah he's always just playing a role, it's a reality TV gig to him. He doesn't give a flying **** about what he says once he can continue to do what he wants if that makes sense. Self preservation is his only motivation there.

What most have really hurt today though was not having the ability to live tweet the impeachment session. Must have absolutely killed him!

I'd imagine that statement tonight was crafted by the white House counsel so it can be pointed to as evidence the president has disavowed violence and those who commit violence in his name, throwing those people under the bus is water off his back sure. He does not give a rat's ass about anyone or anything.

I'd bet he is on full on self pity mode at the moment tbh.

It does make sense. But it also makes sense, at least from what we've all seen of him that he had to say what he said because he doesn't believe it and it was plainly written by someone else. That and the fact that he had to stick to the script and not have a rant, must have been choking him*.

*In my opinion anyway.

Not a hope Biden does anything in the situation, he's too long in the game to get involved. Behind the scenes he would be urging them to get this done asap though I'd be sure of that. He would like this all to just go away now he has enough **** to walk into day 1 without this dominating the agenda for too long.

The game is up for trump, professionally and personally imo. I just think most of us, never mind most of the people who need to clean up his mess just want this to be over and we can stop hearing from trump and about trump on a daily basis.

StringerBell wrote: »

Not a hope Biden does anything in the situation, he's too long in the game to get involved. Behind the scenes he would be urging them to get this done asap though I'd be sure of that. He would like this all to just go away now he has enough **** to walk into day 1 without this dominating the agenda for too long.

The game is up for trump, professionally and personally imo. I just think most of us, never mind most of the people who need to clean up his mess just want this to be over and we can stop hearing from trump and about trump on a daily basis.

You are correct that he's got a lot of work to do and a good bit of that will be tidying up after trump and his administration. But will be a while before we stop hearing about him, a lot of people are waiting in the wings for him to become a private citizen again and finish what they have had to put on hold.
If any of that happens Biden is going to be asked about it regardless of the topic he's actually discussing, sure he has the savvy to not get bogged down in it but it's going to be frustrating.

Buford T Justice

Any link to his speech?

Making and holding certain serving senators and congresspersons liable for the consequences of their actions is governed by sections of this article of the constitution...

https://www.heritage.org/constitution/articles/1/essays/26/privilege-from-arrest

Privilege from Arrest
ARTICLE I, SECTION 6, CLAUSE 1
The Senators and Representatives...shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony, and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same....

The Privilege from Arrest Clause provides a Member of Congress a privilege from civil arrest only, but not from other civil processes. Even the privilege from civil arrest would be valid only while Congress is in session.

I looked for information on this to see what and how the FBI would be obliged to behave towards senators and congress persons in respect of the Capitol attack investigation and any possible assistance knowingly given to the insurgents in advance of the attack should relevant evidence come to attention of the FBI from any source during or after the investigation.

Edit: Now that we're past the actual election and it been read into the U.S national record, mine above probably doesn't fit in with or apply directly to the thread topic, so if the moderators want to remove this post, work away. It'd probably fit in better with technicalities of his trial on any thread covering his trial.

Kermit.de.frog

The Washington Post is reporting that Trump doesn't want to pay Rudy Guiliani for his services in defending him during all the trials.

WH staffers are apparently blocking Rudy's calls to the president.

It's well known Trump has often never paid contractors.

Looks like Rudy is learning the hard way. And after all he went through and humiliating himself!

Tell me how

Buford T Justice wrote: »

Any link to his speech?

Wonder how his supporters who are looking down the barrel of federal convictions feel after him telling them about 176 hours ago that he would never back down, or never surrender.