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FE1 Exam Thread (Read 1st post!) NOTE: YOU MAY SWAP EXAM GRIDS

Tom Young

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CoconutHeadMia

did anybody else not get an email?

jus_me

Law society emailed re: Thursday

loucorkel1997

Can anyone say what topics they are doing for equity, constitutional or company law ? With the limited time left to finish notes I don’t want to waste time doing any more than necessary

Mc96

The software was very user friendly. They gave us the option the week before of a mock exam which let you familiarize yourself with the software, I imagine they will offer the same this time round.

On the day of the exam you login, the exam should be there for you to click into. You will have to go through some checks on your wifi etc which it brings you through and then you need to show your passport to the camera. You then agree to a terms of service and are placed in a waiting room with a countdown clock until the exam begins.

Each question comes up on its own page and you can move easily between questions, it saves your work as you go. There is a facility to add sticky notes and a virtual notepad. We were not permitted any blank hard copy paper for rough work which I thought would be difficult but I found ok in the end. I know some people were accidentally logged out, if that happened you could log back in as far as I know and everything is saved (I had no experience of this so am not definite).

There is a clock in the corner the whole time counting down. Once you have finished it gives you the option to review and submit. Then you get a congratulations message which confirms the exam is submitted.

I found the format easy to use but it definitely was more tiring than a normal exam looking at a screen for so long with no break.

[Deleted User]

Hmm still waiting on that email how to log in to results...

mydogwentroof

What was the software for the exam like? This is my first time doing exams online.

LawStudent999

Just an interesting point of note as so many have discussed cost of the exams themselves. I noticed earlier that the software used by the LS (BetterExaminations) holds themselves out in one instance to reduce examination costs by 64%. For this reason I would be interested to know where all this money the LS has saved is going? Of course I understand markers have to be paid but this is an external cost to the actual cost of hosting the exams. For this reason I would be interested to know where the excess funds have gone as quite clearly given the delay it has not gone to further examiners. I notice the cost of doing the exams has not lessened either. This should raise more eyebrows than I think it has.

Fe7

DavidX90 wrote: »

100% agree. I won't be stopping until there is an acknowledgment and an apology from the LSI, and a written pledge that this will never happen again.

In addition to a plan regarding a clear marking scheme, pushing out the March 2021 exams, using the funds to coordinate faster grading and thus result turnover, proper communication to candidates rather than making a farce on social media to save face, staff that respond to emails and calls. I'm losing my breath..

DavidX90

maggie95 wrote: »

Have just submitted a complaint to the Ombudsman myself. Included a plethora of emails that I sent in to the Law Society over the last number of months, which of course received no response, and emails to my TD about the situation. Also included their posts here to show their method of "communication".

I'm fed up of the same nonsense happening year in year out, this year especially was truly outstanding in terms of inefficiency and incompetency.
Every time we complain, start a petition, or garner any kind of debate/support outside of Boards, the Law Society attempt to appease us by releasing statements or tweeting about results dates. We then tend to forget it happened because of that appeasement (naturally) and the exact same thing happens for the next candidates.
This shouldn't be the case, I am committed to seeing this through now. It really will be about the amount of noise we can make, so if you feel the same way about the Law Society as I do, then please email your TD, submit a complaint to the Ombudsman, ring Joe Duffy, do whatever so we don't have to deal with this bulls*t again.

100% agree. I won't be stopping until there is an acknowledgment and an apology from the LSI, and a written pledge that this will never happen again.

maggie95

ALK2! wrote: »

For anyone interested- I submitted a complaint to the ombudsman re: the Law Societies actions since September 2020 to date through the Ombudsman (.ie) website.

Any unanswered emails/ complaints to LS can be used as evidence.

It's probably unlikely they will or can do anything to resolve our issues but if enough people submit a complaint about the same thing, it may bring attention to the incompetence and inefficiencies displayed by the Law Society year on year.

In the complaint I mentioned- 1. LS confirming date of November exams only weeks before we were due to sit them, 2. logged out of two exams on multiple occasions, provided no extra time for the second exam and no response to emails regarding the difficulty for over 6 weeks, 2. unanswered queries through call and email, 3. delayed exam results leaving limited time to study for March, 4. misleading information concerning result dates, 5. continued avoidance of students who have paid for their service on the day they had outlined results would be released.

Have just submitted a complaint to the Ombudsman myself. Included a plethora of emails that I sent in to the Law Society over the last number of months, which of course received no response, and emails to my TD about the situation. Also included their posts here to show their method of "communication".

I'm fed up of the same nonsense happening year in year out, this year especially was truly outstanding in terms of inefficiency and incompetency.
Every time we complain, start a petition, or garner any kind of debate/support outside of Boards, the Law Society attempt to appease us by releasing statements or tweeting about results dates. We then tend to forget it happened because of that appeasement (naturally) and the exact same thing happens for the next candidates.
This shouldn't be the case, I am committed to seeing this through now. It really will be about the amount of noise we can make, so if you feel the same way about the Law Society as I do, then please email your TD, submit a complaint to the Ombudsman, ring Joe Duffy, do whatever so we don't have to deal with this bulls*t again.

DavidX90

Just because the results date has now been released, I think it's important to remember what we had to go through to have that information confirmed. Personally, I am still shaking with rage after what went on this morning. It has ruined my whole day.

This should not have happened in the first place and should never happen again. We need to keep pressure on the LSI to make sure they agree with us.

If not, we will be back in this situation again in a few months time.

As others mentioned, please make your voices heard on social media and be sure to file complaints to the Ombudsman, the LSRA and of course, Joe Duffy.

EmmaO94

Fe7 wrote: »

We might have the time and dates but this doesn't relieve the other issues we face time and time again.

How many unanswered emails? How many marked exams with no coherent marking system? The upcoming march exams with no time to prepare for any failed prior exams? And my fave - trying to save face on social media before sending any correspondence to the actual individuals it affects.

Make sure to sign (http://chng.it/r5CbZFdzgx) if you haven't and keep making yourselves heard to the media. We have traction now finally among us all. The solicitors before us pushed to ban the 3-exam pass rule which we can be thankful for. For ourselves and future candidates we deserve respect, communication, and change.

complaints@lsra.ie - send any complaints and evidence to legal services regulatory authority

Joe@rte.ie - Joe Duffy

Ombudsman (.ie) website

Totally agree with everything said here.

For me the real rub amongst other things is the lack of a marking scheme - could not BELIEVE there was no scheme when I started the fe1s, after getting so much helpful info for college exams explicitly stating what was required for a 2.2, 2.1 and 1 answer. And if they even try to use the 'well we provide examine reports' card, totally not good enough - the disparity between subject is farcical - eg compare Crimina's 20+ page reports to Tort which is 1 page long. We need standarised mark schemes for each subject as a matter of urgency.

Fe7

lawDani wrote: »

https://www.change.org/p/the-law-society-of-ireland-holding-the-law-society-accountable-regarding-fe1-candidates?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_26799380_en-GB%3A4&recruiter=1173639316&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition

Oh it's mine haha.. I thought it was a new one, I was ready to sign ahahah

lawDani

Fe7 wrote: »

The link doesn't seem to work for me!

https://www.change.org/p/the-law-society-of-ireland-holding-the-law-society-accountable-regarding-fe1-candidates?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_26799380_en-GB%3A4&recruiter=1173639316&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition

Fe7

lawDani wrote: »

http://chng.it/h84yPTvBD

The link doesn't seem to work for me!

lawDani

http://chng.it/h84yPTvBD

lawDani

how is that even an ounce respect for the candidates - a twitter post! blood. boiled. I dont have twitter, lol.

Coopie

LawLearnin wrote: »

They've just posted a tweet about the results:

"Results from the November 2020 FE-1 sitting will be released at 11.00am on Thursday 14 January.

Candidates will receive an email today with details about how to log on. Further updates will also be published to lawsociety . ie / fe1exam

Thanks to students for their patience."

This is SO annoying!

Fe7

We might have the time and dates but this doesn't relieve the other issues we face time and time again.

How many unanswered emails? How many marked exams with no coherent marking system? The upcoming march exams with no time to prepare for any failed prior exams? And my fave - trying to save face on social media before sending any correspondence to the actual individuals it affects.

Make sure to sign (http://chng.it/r5CbZFdzgx) if you haven't and keep making yourselves heard to the media. We have traction now finally among us all. The solicitors before us pushed to ban the 3-exam pass rule which we can be thankful for. For ourselves and future candidates we deserve respect, communication, and change.

complaints@lsra.ie - send any complaints and evidence to legal services regulatory authority

Joe@rte.ie - Joe Duffy

Ombudsman (.ie) website

feliznavidab

No doubt there will be an email at 5.59pm to 'apologise'.

Hazel774

Once again, updating their social media before emailing candidates! Thank god for boards as it’s the only place to actually get all the updates about the exams we’re paying a fortune for...

What are they going to do between now and Thursday?? The papers are obviously all corrected if they were telling people on Friday that results would be out today

LawLearnin

Nice to finally have a set time and date, but it's mindboggling how evasive they've been through this whole process.

lsheehaneire

what are the odds there will be access problems.....

FE1new

Results from the October 2020 FE-1 sitting will be released online at 11.00am on Thursday 14 January. For further information and future updates, see http://lawsociety.ie/fe1exam Thanks to students for their patience.

This was posted to their Twitter

LawLearnin

They've just posted a tweet about the results:

"Results from the November 2020 FE-1 sitting will be released at 11.00am on Thursday 14 January.

Candidates will receive an email today with details about how to log on. Further updates will also be published to lawsociety . ie / fe1exam

Thanks to students for their patience."

[Deleted User]

Fe7 wrote: »

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3 more sleepless nights that will no doubt impact productivity of study.. less than 2 months before exams. Mental health my bum!

Fe7

Mc96 wrote: »

11 am Thursday 14th January - update on the website

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Lealaw

Message on law society FE1 results updated:

Results will be released online at 11.00am on Thursday 14 January. Candidates will receive an email today with details about how to log on.

Mc96

11 am Thursday 14th January - update on the website

lawDani

i have also emailed Joe Duffy to back up DavidX90

Joe@rte.ie