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Building a house as a non-local?

dawanda

Hi everyone,

I'm German but permanently live in Ireland because of my job. I need to move into my own place at some point, so I am thinking of various options.

I was trying to look into building your own house but it always says "subject to planning permission". I contacted a few agents and from what I understand I would only be allowed to build if I were a long-time local - which, of course, I am not. Is this only Wicklow? Or only parts of Wicklow? Are there any areas not all too far from Dublin (max. 1.5 hrs by car) where I can get a permission as a non-local?
I tried google but nothing came up - must have not used the right search terms. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I'd like to calculate whether building a house would work out cheaper than buying an already existing one. But also, I would be quite interested in an eco friendly house (solar power etc) and I would also looooooove a sunroom. It's been my dream since a child. And I couldn't find many houses with sunrooms in my price class and I am not sure whether it's something you can add to a house later. I assume you need a planning permission for this as well :rolleyes:

Thanks in advance

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awec

dawanda wrote: »

Google tells me just under 1 hr (obviously, no traffic now) and 75 kms.

Does this seem accurate? I know google maps isn't necessarily the most reliable

That'd be accurate right now.

Won't be accurate when lockdown is over and traffic is back close to normal levels. I would guess you'd need to add at least 30 minutes onto that, depending on where in Dublin you are going to.

sandyxxx

dawanda wrote: »

Google tells me just under 1 hr (obviously, no traffic now) and 75 kms.

Does this seem accurate? I know google maps isn't necessarily the most reliable

Yip,easily do-able within the hour....motorway(bar Kilmac,currently the whole way up)....done by thousands but off peak would be a breeze!.....1hr motorway’s more manageable than 1hr on B roads!

Marcusm

awec wrote: »

Castletown / Inch to Dublin would be some commute.

There are a lot who commute from Gorey and south of Gorey. Inch and Castletown would be north of Gorey! I wouldn’t be crazy for it.

dawanda

Marcusm wrote: »

There are a lot who commute from Gorey and south of Gorey. Inch and Castletown would be north of Gorey! I wouldn’t be crazy for it.

Why not, if you don't mind sharing?

sydthebeat

tom1ie wrote: »

How do they build them in other countries?
More relaxed guidelines in other countries or ours haven’t caught up yet?

Higher standards applied here

Eric Cartman

Marcusm wrote: »

There are a lot who commute from Gorey and south of Gorey. Inch and Castletown would be north of Gorey! I wouldn’t be crazy for it.

Gorey to ballymount can be a 1.5-2 hour commute on a rainy winter morning. I can't even imagine how bad it could be if you needed to get to say Merrion square.

arctictree

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uninhabitable derelict cottages cost considerably more than bare sites where I come from because the Estate Agents know that outsiders can bid on them and tear them down. A 25k site becomes a 100k site if there is a rundown cottage on it.

Be very careful about this. If the house is uninhabitable it is treated as a green field site for planning purposes. You need a run down house but it needs to be habitable (and not lost its use). I have been through this.

Eric Cartman

arctictree wrote: »

Be very careful about this. If the house is uninhabitable it is treated as a green field site for planning purposes. You need a run down house but it needs to be habitable (and not lost its use). I have been through this.

whats the tipping point, do we just mean 'has a roof' or how far we talking here.

Marcusm

dawanda wrote: »

Why not, if you don't mind sharing?

I’m not interested in such a commute! (I find this thread especially interesting as I grew up in Carnew/Gorey) two of the places which have been recommended to you.

My advice would be to persevere in finding something with a much shorter commute. That much time alone with your dogs spending 10-12 hours per day without you is not going to solve the sunlight problem.

There will be some way to find a closer property. There are many low built areas in Dublin and nearer locations. It will take time to find the bargain you require but I promise it will be heaven compared to 3 hours a day by yourself in a car then returning to a cold house with dogs who are frustrated by your absence.

awec

Eric Cartman wrote: »

whats the tipping point, do we just mean 'has a roof' or how far we talking here.

I think roof, waste, water and electricity.

Marcusm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Gorey to ballymount can be a 1.5-2 hour commute on a rainy winter morning. I can't even imagine how bad it could be if you needed to get to say Merrion square.

He wants to get to Stullorgan. I’m not advocating it but I am pointing out to the person who challenged such a commute that there are many doing it. I don’t think it’s right for the OP though.

arctictree

awec wrote: »

I think roof, waste, water and electricity.

Yes, correct. Mine had a roof but no services and therefore was not classed as a habitable dwelling. Local needs then applied to the site.

slavetothegrind

Local needs is fundamentally flawed. So many people have abused this to profit and move on.
I believe it to be unconstitutional also. I lack the funds to challenge it, if i had the funds i doubt it would be a problem.
it is a great injustice and a really poor method of planning.

In my opinion of course.....

arctictree

slavetothegrind wrote: »

Local needs is fundamentally flawed. So many people have abused this to profit and move on.
I believe it to be unconstitutional also. I lack the funds to challenge it, if i had the funds i doubt it would be a problem.
it is a great injustice and a really poor method of planning.

In my opinion of course.....

This has been discussed for over 20 years on the internet and the EU agreed that it was unconstitutional. Still nothing has been done about it. No politician wants to be the one that brings forward legislation to remove local needs.

CrazyFather1

Does you have to be in Wicklow, Open to other areas?

Eric Cartman

awec wrote: »

I think roof, waste, water and electricity.

jaysus so basically it has to be something lived in in the last 40 years. thats a 250k barrier to entry right there.

Baybay

Dwanda, I have an inkling how challenging a purchase might be for you as my daughter also lives & works abroad.

So for example, Wicklow town. Not countryside but a rural enough town with a lot going for it, well usually anyway!
Restaurants, bars, library, Tesco, SuperValu, great bookshop, banks, credit union, coffee shops, train station, beach, mountains, golf etc on the doorstep. You get the idea.

On Daft, a two bed bungalow in the town with lots of potential. It’s a G Ber which may not be ideal & has single glazing & open fire heating. Not ideal. €25,000 from your top budget. But windows can be replaced & a wood burner, pellet stove etc would make a significant impact. Major plus, garden space front & rear with room for a garden room.

The point I’m making is, and it’s not my house nor does it belong to anyone I know, also I’m not an EA but it seems liveable going by the photos, it needs work but not an immediate & total renovation so it could be done over time. A lower offer might be accepted also.
Seems to me something like it could meet your needs.