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The Jimbo Slice memorial thread, feat Nate Dogg - The new Off Topic thread

Mellor

One thing that never ceases to amaze me with the gym is the sheer craziness of some people.
The other day, a women was using calf raise machine that was loaded to the hilt with plates. Tried to do a few reps, struggled immediately and blew her ankle. I don't know if it was a broken bone, or a torn ligament. I'd guess it was one or the other though. Stupid behaviour leads to accidents, the gym is no acceptation.
Then her lawyer contact the gym to let them know she is sueing them for damages. WTF?

I'm sorry she was hurt of course. But you you try to lift a weight that's too heavy for you, and you hurt yourself, that's your fault imo.

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jace_da_face

el Fenomeno wrote: »

I've always ordered from Bulk Powder (who incidentally have rebranded to just Bulk now, and packaging is different). They come from the UK so I guess I would be hit for VAT and/or Customs after next week.

Are there any comparably priced Irish sellers recommended? I'm thinking along the lines of the same prices as the likes of Bulk when they have 50% off sales (which is every week pretty much).

I have been ordering supplements from Bulk too. I usually receive periodic notifications with a discount code so I was biding my time for a discount before reordering. But I’m still waiting. I never thought about Brexit.

Brian?

The pandemic is biting hard. I purchased a bag of resistance bands to do circuits at home.

el Fenomeno

Brian? wrote: »

The pandemic is biting hard. I purchased a bag of resistance bands to do circuits at home.

I got some in the last lockdown too.

The only resistance they've seen so far is my own resistance to using them

Alf Veedersane

I have a red, purple, green and orange band.

Pulling the trigger on the black 100mm one now for RDLs. That said, a couple of times using the orange 83mm one, I thought I was going to launch myself in the air when I was standing on it doing RDLs.

Dtp1979

So my adjustable lever belt buckle is en route. Looking forward to pimping my belt

Alf Veedersane

Dtp1979 wrote: »

So my adjustable lever belt buckle is en route. Looking forward to pimping my belt

Dtp being interviewed about his lockdown training purchases...

Dtp1979

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Dtp being interviewed about his lockdown training purchases...

Hahahaha I probably would’ve reached that figure if parcel motel didn’t shut down

Mellor

Started a new program last week. Which called for deadlift on friday, and squats yesterday (sunday).
First time deadlifting or squatting since end of March 2019. Due to knee injury and subsequent surgery.
I did train legs, but mostly machine/rehab stuff.

Week 1 of program is 5 sets of 10 @60%;. Full of regret doms right now.

Alf Veedersane

Brings back a memory...being given a new program with 5x12 on squats at 62 5%.

"62.5?", says I.
"Grand so....easing in", says I.

Hadn't done multiple sets with of more than 8 in 18+ months.

Was not grand.

There was lots of sadness, thousand yard stares and contemplation or the wrong turns I may have taken in life.

Mellor

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Brings back a memory...being given a new program with 5x12 on squats at 62 5%.

"62.5?", says I.
"Grand so....easing in", says I.

Hadn't done multiple sets with of more than 8 in 18+ months.

Was not grand.

There was lots of sadness, thousand yard stares and contemplation or the wrong turns I may have taken in life.

So 60% was an ok jumping point on first day back. RPE was 6-8 across the sets I'd say.
This week its ramps up to 3 x 10 @ 67.5%
Then 10+ at 75% :pac::pac::pac:

Alf Veedersane

Mellor wrote: »

So 60% was an ok jumping point on first day back. RPE was 6-8 across the sets I'd say.
This week its ramps up to 3 x 10 @ 67.5%
Then 10+ at 75% :pac::pac::pac:

I can't really remember what I went to after that first day but it wasn't as bad.

Being so long away from that high volume, I really had no appreciation what it would be like.

It's always the same after a session like that...being braced mentally is half the battle. They're also the sessions I'll always remember :pac:

Mellor

I was supposed to kick off week two today. But was feeling the mental side as you mentioned. But letting it slide throws out my whole week.

Alf Veedersane

220kg for a set of 20....

His PR is 321kg. Think he's in the low-to-mid 90s weight-wise

the baby bull elephant

Jessica Buettner posted a mock meet on her IG story. 215/100/242.5 not sure what bodyweight but she usually competes at 72kg. Sounds like she wasn't fully peaked either.

Alf Veedersane

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

Jessica Buettner posted a mock meet on her IG story. 215/100/242.5 not sure what bodyweight but she usually competes at 72kg. Sounds like she wasn't fully peaked either.

She was ~81kg (179.5 lbs) two weeks ago anyway. Even when she's bulking she looks ripped. The main thing I don't like about her :pac:

Probably would have done more of she was more conservative with the 3rd on bench and DL but mock meets are not for being conservative

paw patrol

two thing that always intrigued me among the many things that intrigue me.

The massive stimulant doses in some pre workouts that people love taking regularly. My non science brain always felt no good would come of single - guzzled down in an instant - caffeine doses of 300 -400mg (or more) not to mention the other fancy stimulants used.

Also the number of people on social media in the fitness "world" who claim anxiety/depression. It seems at odds with my experience with people in the real world. There could be many reasons for this , social media isn't a great barometer for actual life.

Anyway I found this article - slightly limited in detail - but interesting and tbh I wouldn't surprise me. Appears to link energy drinks (which I'd include pre workouts as a subset) to mental issues. Admittedly it's a bit of a confirmation bias but there you go.

https://www.psypost.org/2021/02/longitudinal-study-links-energy-drink-consumption-to-depression-anxiety-and-stress-59626

Energy drinks are potent mixtures of ingredients like caffeine, guarana, sugar, ginseng, and aspartame. They are intended (and marketed) to improve mood, alertness and productivity—but may have long-term secondary effects that are decidedly less beneficial.

A variety of cross-sectional studies has already examined the relationship between energy drink consumption and mental health problems like anxiety, depression, and increased feelings of stress. Few to date, however, have done so longitudinally, meaning that causal relationships have been difficult to determine or demonstrate.

To remedy this, the present study looked at data from 897 individuals who have been followed from birth in the context of the previously published Raine study. Questionnaires were given at age 20 and again at age 22 regarding, among others, energy drink consumption and mood.

After controlling for parental mental health, illicit drug use, dietary patterns, family income, parental alcohol consumption and cigarette use, BMI, physical activity and other factors, the researchers found that changes in energy drink consumption were positively associated with increased stress scores and, in young adult males, depression and anxiety.

The authors have made valiant efforts to control for confounding variables, and propose several ways by which energy drink consumption may affect mod, including altering sleep behavior. The possibility of some upstream behavior or other element acting on energy drink consumption and depression and anxiety separately, however, is left largely unexplored.

General lack of energy, for example, can be caused by any number of external influences or internal factors, and could explain increased symptoms on the one hand and lead to increased energy drink consumption on the other to combat the underlying fatigue. The authors do note that the ingredients in energy drinks may exacerbate existing symptoms of anxiety, depression and stress.

The authors recommend that future studies will want to explore additional measurements, as self-reporting, especially of mental health issues, is subject to under- and/or over-reporting bias. Additionally, many of the participants lost to follow-up in the context of the (now 30-year-long) Raine study were characterized by socioeconomic disadvantage, meaning results may be skewed.

Despite their widespread consumption and, in many nations, limited regulation, the deleterious effects of energy drinks are not fully understood, something the present study, “Consumption of energy drinks is associated with depression, anxiety, and stress in young adult males: Evidence from a longitudinal cohort study”, seeks to remedy.

Alf Veedersane

General lack of energy, for example, can be caused by any number of external influences or internal factors, and could explain increased symptoms on the one hand and lead to increased energy drink consumption on the other to combat the underlying fatigue. The authors do note that the ingredients in energy drinks may exacerbate existing symptoms of anxiety, depression and stress.

They did also say that the general lack of energy that may be as a result of anxiety/depression/stress is what might to (increased) consumption of energy drinks so it might simply be a response to these mental issues rather than the cause. I didn't read anything other than there is a correlation.

paw patrol

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

They did also say that the general lack of energy that may be as a result of anxiety/depression/stress is what might to (increased) consumption of energy drinks so it might simply be a response to these mental issues rather than the cause. I didn't read anything other than there is a correlation.

this is true, but it is interesting to read and note. I did say it was limited.

Alf Veedersane

paw patrol wrote: »

this is true, but it is interesting to read and note

I think the people in the 'fitness' realm who cite anxiety and depression have issues other than energy drinks.

Mellor

paw patrol wrote: »

The massive stimulant doses in some pre workouts that people love taking regularly. My non science brain always felt no good would come of single - guzzled down in an instant - caffeine doses of 300 -400mg (or more) not to mention the other fancy stimulants used.

High dose of caffeine in a bottle and people act like it will give you a heart attack.

But stick it in a large coffee cup and nobody blinks.

Anyway I found this article - slightly limited in detail - but interesting and tbh I wouldn't surprise me. Appears to link energy drinks (which I'd include pre workouts as a subset) to mental issues. Admittedly it's a bit of a confirmation bias but there you go.

It also questions whether energy drinks are the cause.
It wouldn’t be unrealistic for people who feel a little flat and sluggish to grab an every drink.

paw patrol

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I think the people in the 'fitness' realm who cite anxiety and depression have issues other than energy drinks.

DylanJM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I think the people in the 'fitness' realm who cite anxiety and depression have issues other than energy drinks.

Agree, I think there's many factors but I would say one of the biggest ones is social media. We are bombarded with people's highlights reels everyday and I honestly don't think humans are good at coping with that tbh.

Alf Veedersane

DylanJM wrote: »

Agree, I think there's many factors but I would say one of the biggest ones is social media. We are bombarded with people's highlights reels everyday and I honestly don't think humans are good at coping with that tbh.

Not least the fact that those who are putting themselves out there so much must also be putting themselves under pressure also.

Brian?

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I think the people in the 'fitness' realm who cite anxiety and depression have issues other than energy drinks.

I think the reason it's so common among fitness folks is that exercise is part of an effective therapy for anxiety and depression.

A few of the old mods here were people who helped treat their depression with exercise.

Alf Veedersane

Brian? wrote: »

I think the reason it's so common among fitness folks is that exercise is part of an effective therapy for anxiety and depression.

A few of the old mods here were people who helped treat their depression with exercise.

Yeah, I mean there isn't one reason for it. There are plenty who got into it as a means to help with depression etc. And some of those people will be 'fitspos' (a little piece of me just died....but you know what I mean). But there are those who went into it to be influencers and who have found it comes with a pressure to stay in great shape bit also hashtag live their best life.

And there will be a host of other reasons.

But I don't think it's due to energy drinks, for the most part.

Black Sheep

Could it also be a correlation with something going on in youth culture in general...?

My impression that it is more common for young people to say they have anxiety or depression, without necessarily having got a diagnosis. It seems like there's been a lot published in the media about increased requests for welfare, supports and so on, and surveys show young people saying they are really quite unhappy with their lives (I mean even before the pandemic!).

I think some of that is down to there being less of a stigma about talking about mental health, and there are people who difficulties who come forward now who wouldn't in the past.

But I can't help but also feel that there is a bit of a cultural moment happening where people have probably gone too far the other way, and are a bit too quick in talking about their anxiety (In particular, maybe moreso than depression which can still have a heavy stigma hanging over it). I feel like there is a bit of a claim being laid to the whole issue of mental health by people who are not actually dysfunctional in any way, they're literally just unhappy.

A lot of what people frame as being 'unwell' is, imo, sometimes someone who is upset due to a serious life event that they might be well within their rights to be annoyed about for weeks / months. Or their life is a mess for multiple reasons, causing legitimate distress and alarm. I just think it's a shame that we've got to a point where everyone is under pressure to 'get help', 'see your GP' etc. Sometimes being sad is as important a part of life as being happy. I wonder if there is a younger generation who have mistakenly be led to believe that they should always feel great and in particular always feel great about themselves...

In the case of influencers and social media I am even more sceptical about the bona fides. I suspect it's just promoting an image. Almost like fitness influencing being their main gig, with a side-hustle in mental health awareness.

DylanJM

Black Sheep wrote: »

In the case of influencers and social media I am even more sceptical about the bona fides. I suspect it's just promoting an image. Almost like fitness influencing being their main gig, with a side-hustle in mental health awareness.

Bingo! Mental health content always goes down well and generally gets good engagement from your followers.

JayRoc

Plus, of course, it's worth considering that most social-media-influencer types, regardless of whether it's fitness-related or not, tend to fit a certain personality profile (at least as far as I can see).

And it's one that probably lends itself to higher incidences of anxiety, depression and general mental health issues than average.

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Where is good for liquid chalk? My trusty bulkpowders one is nearly gone

D'Agger

coffee_cake wrote: »

Where is good for liquid chalk? My trusty bulkpowders one is nearly gone

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