The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

You're referring to competition name sponsors I think? As in 'AIB' football championship, or whoever it currently is.

Clearly that's a different stream to the individual sponsorship each county gets from a brand who wishes to be associated with that specific county. And it's that which you are trying to justify the pooling of, despite it being a terribly flawed idea.

How is it flawed? Are AIG born and bred Dubs who couldn't face having their money going to other counties? Is Mike Ashley a Cork man? You're talking nonsense.

Pooled sponsorship is only opposed by some people in the counties who receive huge sums. How can it be a fair competition if that's let continue?

Enquiring wrote: »

How is it flawed? Are AIG born and bred Dubs who couldn't face having their money going to other counties? Is Mike Ashley a Cork man? You're talking nonsense.

Pooled sponsorship is only opposed by some people in the counties who receive huge sums. How can it be a fair competition if that's let continue?

Because if Dublin, spend time, effort, from office to meeting room, 1000 man hours of preparation, calculations, negotiations... and in the end a deal is struck for xxxxxxx with AON insurance let’s say... Dublin’s fruits of that endeavor should be to hand xx% of that to their competition ? Who have done no more then sit around their kitchen drinking tea waiting for the phone to ring ?

Even in lala land that is erm, far fetched and flawed to the extreme.

Strumms wrote: »

No, not JH....

Again, if certain counties abdicate a will or want to participate fully in the sports in good faith, they are in my book, abdicating to benefit from funding...

If you don’t put in, you can’t get out.

The boycott will be by supporters. County boards shouldn't take part. Mainly because of the threats like the above. These threats are what has been happening for years. If counties dared to go against HQ, then they'd know they'd have issues with funding.

This has to be a campaign raised from the grassroots. Your clubs and counties have been underfunded for 2 decades in favour of one county with the largest population. It's time we all stood up and put an end to it.

Robson99

Strumms wrote: »

No, not JH....

Again, if certain counties abdicate a will or want to participate fully in the sports in good faith, they are in my book, abdicating to benefit from funding...

If you don’t put in, you can’t get out.

So the rich get richer...It's not that long ago Dublin were unable to get crowds into croke park and based on the population there they should be filling it 2 or 3 times over...but the Gaa and Bertie did not look on it as the Dubs not putting it in
The way it's going there will always be at least 22 or 23 counties who will never get to play in an All Ireland Final again

Strumms wrote: »

Because if Dublin, spend time, effort, from office to meeting room, 2000 man hours of preparation, calculations, negotiations... and in the end a deal is struck for xxxxxxx with AON insurance let’s say... Dublin’s fruits of that endeavor should be to hand xx% of that to their competition ? Who have done no more then sit around their kitchen drinking tea waiting for the phone to ring ?

Even in lala land that is erm, far fetched and flawed to the extreme.

Dublins increased sponsorship came off the back of the money we all gave to Dublin GAA. Not least as without it, affording highly paid marketing managers would not have been possible.

The pooled sponsorship is not just for Dublin though. Every county would have to abide by the rules and every county would have a cap on team preparation spending.

Enquiring wrote: »

The boycott will be by supporters. County boards shouldn't take part. Mainly because of the threats like the above. These threats are what has been happening for years. If counties dared to go against HQ, then they'd know they'd have issues with funding.

This has to be a campaign raised from the grassroots. Your clubs and counties have been underfunded for 2 decades in favour of one county with the largest population. It's time we all stood up and put an end to it.

You still remove funding.

ArmaniJeanss

Enquiring wrote: »

How is it flawed? Are AIG born and bred Dubs who couldn't face having their money going to other counties? Is Mike Ashley a Cork man? You're talking nonsense.

Pooled sponsorship is only opposed by some people in the counties who receive huge sums. How can it be a fair competition if that's let continue?

And thus we go around in circles unfortunately.
In your world where sponsorship is pooled, why would the Cork board have put together a plan for approaching Sports Direct/Fraser Group, making the calls to get a foot in the door, doing the pitch, maximising the revenue? Just for it to be split 32 ways.

I've been in that situation of trying to raise as much sponsorship as possible for a sports team. I'd have done a lot less legwork if I'd known anything I got in was getting split, especially if I was going to get a share of what the other teams in the league raised. Though human nature being what it is, their treasurers would have had the same attitude.

Enquiring wrote: »

Dublins increased sponsorship came off the back of the money we all gave to Dublin GAA. Not least as without it, affording highly paid marketing managers would not have been possible.

The pooled sponsorship is not just for Dublin though. Every county would have to abide by the rules and every county would have a cap on team preparation spending.

No, that’s ridiculous

Dublin’s increased sponsorship is down to their levels of success, on the pitch. Companies wish to be associated with success... Dublin can demand more revenue on the back of that success.

They have been successful. They have been the most consistently successful sports teams in the history of the state probably ... business want to get on board with that.. naturally.

ooter

JP McManus is a born and bred Limerick man.
For years now I've been hearing about boycotts of dublin games by dublin fans because of a lack of tickets when dublin get to all ireland finals but it never happens.
You can get all the way to an all ireland final without ever meeting dublin, if Donegal played mayo in an all ireland semi final in croke park there'd be no boycott.

dixiefly

With Graham Reilly now officially retiring and Ross Munnelly probably likely not to feature for Laois this year we could be heading to witness a championship (Leinster SFC) in which the ONLY players playing that have a winning medal at any stage in their career are all from one county.

Has this ever happened in any province (besides Connaught SHC and Ulster SHC)?

Has it happened in club football? - Crossmaglen is probably the only case I can think of.

Club football (soccer) in UK and Europe ? I don't think so

We are really getting into unknown territory with the Dubs dominance of Leinster football.

Along with the above is a viscious circle with interest in the other counties waning and young people are not becoming fans at a young age and it wont matter as much when things do turn around - if for however brief a period the turnaround is for.

Strumms wrote: »

You still remove funding.

Wishful thinking.

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

And thus we go around in circles unfortunately.
In your world where sponsorship is pooled, why would the Cork board have put together a plan for approaching Sports Direct/Fraser Group, making the calls to get a foot in the door, doing the pitch, maximising the revenue? Just for it to be split 32 ways.

I've been in that situation of trying to raise as much sponsorship as possible for a sports team. I'd have done a lot less legwork if I'd known anything I got in was getting split, especially if I was going to get a share of what the other teams in the league raised. Though human nature being what it is, their treasurers would have had the same attitude.

So do you think it's a fair competition if some counties are receiving 2.3 million while others are receiving pittance? Or you don't think it is but you think that's how the GAA should be let continue?

Dublins sponsorship income has increased by over a million in 4 years. What happens when they reach 5 million in sponsorship income? More than that?

It must be repeated. Gaelic games are amateur sports. The GAA wasnt formed and didn't grow on the ethos of professionalism. It was never about how much money you had like in other sports. Some may be happy to go down that route and see where it leads. I'm not and there are many more like me.

Strumms wrote: »

No, that’s ridiculous

Dublin’s increased sponsorship is down to their levels of success, on the pitch. Companies wish to be associated with success... Dublin can demand more revenue on the back of that success.

They have been successful. They have been the most consistently successful sports teams in the history of the state probably ... business want to get on board with that.. naturally.

Dublins increased success came from the introduction of a huge number of professional coaches paid for by all of us. 100 titles since then and the sponsors came on board off he back of that.

dixiefly wrote: »

With Graham Reilly now officially retiring and Ross Munnelly probably likely not to feature for Laois this year we could be heading to witness a championship (Leinster SFC) in which the ONLY players playing that have a winning medal at any stage in their career are all from one county.

Has this ever happened in any province (besides Connaught SHC and Ulster SHC)?

Has it happened in club football? - Crossmaglen is probably the only case I can think of.

Club football (soccer) in UK and Europe ? I don't think so

We are really getting into unknown territory with the Dubs dominance of Leinster football.

Along with the above is a viscious circle with interest in the other counties waning and young people are not becoming fans at a young age and it wont matter as much when things do turn around - if for however brief a period the turnaround is for.

It really is a crisis period for Gaelic games. We need to act now before it's too late.

dunnerc

Enquiring wrote: »

Wishful thinking.

Wishful thinking that Dublin will be split in 4 .

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

And thus we go around in circles unfortunately.
In your world where sponsorship is pooled, why would the Cork board have put together a plan for approaching Sports Direct/Fraser Group, making the calls to get a foot in the door, doing the pitch, maximising the revenue? Just for it to be split 32 ways.

I've been in that situation of trying to raise as much sponsorship as possible for a sports team. I'd have done a lot less legwork if I'd known anything I got in was getting split, especially if I was going to get a share of what the other teams in the league raised. Though human nature being what it is, their treasurers would have had the same attitude.

Haven’t followed all of this but unless I am missing something, obvious solution is GAA centrally appoints commercial officer (or whatever title you want to give) to each county whose job is to maximise income from sponsorships. Like with any role, they would have to hit certain benchmarks or kpis or whatever.

dunnerc wrote: »

Wishful thinking that Dublin will be split in 4 .

They will be split eventually, one way or another. Nobody (not even Dubs it seems) is interested in seeing Dublin winning 17/18 out of every 20 All Irelands.

It’s really just a question of how long the GAA takes and how much damage they allow. Continued drop in attendances & viewing figures will be what does it most probably and it will likely take a few years yet.

Enquiring wrote: »

It really is a crisis period for Gaelic games. We need to act now before it's too late.

It’s really not... nobody is dominating in hurling...neither population or any finances making a snot of difference... that’s proof...

Football.. the skills, fitness and entertainment levels across country are at an all time high... good ever improving facilities... emerging counties putting it up to the challenges..

Kerry nobled by Cork last year, a really good emerging Tipp side...

People need just to stop pissing on their slippers and satisfy themselves that this Dublin team is simply the greatest sports team in the history of the state..

ClanofLams wrote: »

They will be split eventually, one way or another. Nobody (not even Dubs it seems) is interested in seeing Dublin winning 17/18 out of every 20 All Irelands.

It’s really just a question of how long the GAA takes and how much damage they allow. Continued drop in attendances & viewing figures will be what does it most probably and it will likely take a few years yet.

They won’t.. if Dublin were told “we are splitting you”... NO is the only word and the GAA could do fûck all... couldn’t even expell them... they haven’t broken any rules, they’ve just been successful... plus the GAA won’t or can’t give up that revenue stream.

Strumms wrote: »

Boycott Dublin games ? Same outcome... your funding gets withdrawn...100% of it. Your ticket allowance goes on general sale.. Not willing to put it in, you don’t get to take anything out....there would be a financial problem...

Imagine the shoe was on the opposite foot... Dublin unhappy with xyz, toys out of the pram... going to boycott games ? uproar...!

Didn't the dubs have a boycott where they'd refuse to buy anything while at matches in croker, be that pints, sambos, fizzy drinks or crisps? The aim of that was to prove a point while hurting the gaa financially.

Did your funding get cut? I doubt it.

Strumms wrote: »

They won’t.. if Dublin were told “we are splitting you”... NO is the only word and the GAA could do fûck all... couldn’t even expell them... they haven’t broken any rules, they’ve just been successful... plus the GAA won’t or can’t give up that revenue stream.

Attendances and falling viewing numbers will do it. 45k at Dublin Galway All Ireland semi final in 2018, All Ireland final v Tyrone not fully sold out per Irish Times.

Under 1 million viewers of All Ireland final this year compared to 1.3 million last time Dublin & Mayo played (different time than normal of course).

Domination causes declining interest. Declining interest causes less income. That causes action. It’s going to happen regardless, the GAA will prob kick the can down the road as long as possible.

Strumms wrote: »

You still remove funding.

There is some serious contradiction in your posting. Dublin haven’t broken any rules so nothing can be done but if supporters of other counties were to choose not to attend games involving their county and Dublin their funding would be 100% removed. Seriously what planet are you on where counties could be punished if supporters make a choice not to attend games?!

It doesn’t matter in reality, i doubt a boycott per se will ever happen, it will just be supporters choosing not to bother spending a few hundred to go to a game where the outcome is as close to guaranteed as possible in sport which is already happening and affecting attendances.

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Didn't the dubs have a boycott where they'd refuse to buy anything while at matches in croker, be that pints, sambos, fizzy drinks or crisps? The aim of that was to prove a point while hurting the gaa financially.

Did your funding get cut? I doubt it.

They have bought tickets, under no obligation to buy anything else...In a democracy, one has the ability to pick where and if to spend their money. You’d want to be in some strange communist drizzle hole to be demanding that people should spend at your venue/stadium...

Strumms wrote: »

They have bought tickets, under no obligation to buy anything else...In a democracy, one has the ability to pick where and if to spend their money. You’d want to be in some strange communist drizzle hole to be demanding that people should spend at your venue/stadium...

This is quite the post a couple of pages after suggesting that counties whose supporters opted not to attend games involving Dublin should have 100% of their funding withdrawn.

As somebody already pointed out if sponsorship was pooled the GAA should set up a board to organise sponsors for different counties and maximise revenue. Most sponsors are paying for the coverage they receive not because they love their county. And if they do it because they love their county they'll still get their names on their beloved Jersey and be patrons of the GAA.

Why are Dubs so against fairness? Is it because if you agree to these changes you recognise previous wrong doings of the gaa that led to better results for your team?

Pooling sponsorship is definitely needed. Ironic how you can't change anything now that would be unfair to dublin whether that's sponsors or underage coaches but the unfair changes dublin got 20 years ago was grand. Give me a break.

Watershed moment for Leinster this year if Munnelly retires. 1st time in history that only players from Dublin have a provincial medal. We could potentially see this for the AI in a few years too.

Boycotts have already begun by the fans. Leinster counties support has dwindled. When I was growing up multiple counties had days where 20-30k fans would on occasion travel to croker. Inspiring for young kids. Today's youth don't travel and all they see is dublin hammering everyone by 20 points. Not inspiring.

The last great day of fanfare the championship had was 2010 when about 25k travelled from Louth and about the same from Meath. A relic from an age we won't see again.

Dublin will never agree to be split. But fans will dissappear from all counties, viewership and sponsorship will fall outside dublin and the top hurling counties.

Ultimately the first sign of change will be teams pulling out or giving dublin walkovers. Most likely Leinster counties. If that doesn't force change the boycotting teams will set up their own competition.

The Leinster Football Championship could be replaced by The Leinster Football County Championship. Easily done and will be far more entertaining then the current product.

Strumms wrote: »

They have bought tickets, under no obligation to buy anything else...In a democracy, one has the ability to pick where and if to spend their money. You’d want to be in some strange communist drizzle hole to be demanding that people should spend at your venue/stadium...

OK so tell me again if fans of other counties decide not to watch their team get demolished by dublin or go to any matches when every knows dublin will win the competition, should their counties have funds cut.

the kelt

Strumms wrote: »

The GAA would simply be within their right to withdraw funding completely for both counties. Mayo and Donegal would be hurting the games nationwide. Don’t want to contribute ? Then you don’t benefit.

If Mayo and Donegal don’t want to contribute to the revenue stream that benefits the clubs and counties the length and breadth of the country... they can have zero rights to hold their paw out looking for their ‘share’....

Why?

A county should only get funding if the fans go to the games, that’s a new one I have to say but could see John Horan going for it.

From now on if fans of teams don’t attend games, it’s not our fault so we will punish those teams by taking away funding.

Jaysus the excuses and logic in here gets weirder every day!

John Horan announces funding cut to Leitrim Gaa after they fail to have fill croke park for their league final, but there’s only 32,000 people in Leitrim John, doesn’t matter just look at the dubs brining 40,000 I’m only being fair.

the kelt wrote: »

Why?

A county should only get funding if the fans go to the games, that’s a new one I have to say but could see John Horan going for it.

From now on if fans of teams don’t attend games, it’s not our fault so we will punish those teams by taking away funding.

Jaysus the excuses and logic in here gets weirder every day!

This is a result of one's bias for their team influencing their thought process. If you had the good of the gaa at heart you wouldn't share his narrow minded outlook.

ClanofLams wrote: »

There is some serious contradiction in your posting. Dublin haven’t broken any rules so nothing can be done but if supporters of other counties were to choose not to attend games involving their county and Dublin their funding would be 100% removed. Seriously what planet are you on where counties could be punished if supporters make a choice not to attend games?!

It doesn’t matter in reality, i doubt a boycott per se will ever happen, it will just be supporters choosing not to bother spending a few hundred to go to a game where the outcome is as close to guaranteed as possible in sport which is already happening and affecting attendances.

Why would you fund counties who behave only in a manner that aims to subvert the participating and enjoyment of the game ? For everyone...

I sat in Giants stadium the day Ireland beat Italy in ‘94... nobody gave us a chance.... up against Baggios, Baresi, Costacurta, Donadoni, Signori, Massaro, Maldini..Underdogs win... that day the underdog played them off the park, we had no chance...and a guy called Paul MCGrath put in a performance for the ages.. so it can be done..