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Gemma O'Doherty - Part 2 - Read OP for mod warning (06/01)

  • 28-12-2020 10:47pm
    #1
    Beasty
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    Old thread here

    Threadbans and other mod warnings carry over

    Mod warning 06/01/21
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    The tragic death of the Garda is completely off topic. Anyone even mentioning it will be subject to a minimum threadban

    Mod:

    I have updated the OP of this thread with a list of threadbanned users, I would advise posters to check on this before posting in the thread again or a forum sanction will be imposed for breaching same.

    If you want to discuss your threadban feel free to PM the banning mod (or myself if you can't remember who that is and I'll point you in the right direction).


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Comments

  • #2
    Harold Stale Finch
    Posts: 0 ✭ Harold Stale Finch


    Imagine if there were actually two Gemma O’Dotherys..

    No, god no don’t imagine it.


  • #3
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,210 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Imagine if there were actually two Gemma O’Dotherys..

    No, god no don’t imagine it.




    You mean in the nip? You want to be the meat in a Gemma sandwich?

    Hey, whatever floats your boat. Who are we to judge!


  • #4
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    Donald Trump wrote: »

    Who are we to judge!

    Is that not the whole point of this thread(s)?


  • #5
    Harold Stale Finch
    Posts: 0 ✭ Harold Stale Finch


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    You mean in the nip? You want to be the meat in a Gemma sandwich?

    Hey, whatever floats your boat. Who are we to judge!

    Don’t put words in my mouth, especially not those ones.

    Ah bro I think I’m gonna get sick


  • #6
    Gooey Looey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    Can we make a conspiracy and hide this thread


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  • #7
    Penfailed
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    godtabh wrote: »
    Is that not the whole point of this thread(s)?

    :D

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  • #8
    Nokia6230i
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    The old thread ended on "666".....just saying like? :)


  • #9
    touts
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    godtabh wrote: »
    Is that not the whole point of this thread(s)?

    Well she started it. She has no problem voicing ill informed, and generally nasty, opinions about everything and everyone so really should she be surprised when everything and everyone have better informed but equally nasty opinions about her.


  • #10
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    touts wrote: »
    Well she started it. She has no problem voicing ill informed, and generally nasty, opinions about everything and everyone so really should she be surprised when everything and everyone have better informed but equally nasty opinions about her.

    Yeah but I think this is actually a good point. She is an extremist hatemonger but responding to her in equal amounts of abuse and hate lower people to her level. I personally think when challenging her extremist hate that we shouldnt be responding with extremist hate.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #11
    Harold Stale Finch
    Posts: 0 ✭ Harold Stale Finch


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Yeah but I think this is actually a good point. She is an extremist hatemonger but responding to her in equal amounts of abuse and hate lower people to her level. I personally think when challenging her extremist hate that we shouldnt be responding with extremist hate.

    The best response to the likes of her is no response. An educated response is not changing her mind no matter what & responding in kind is giving them attention.

    The old “don’t feed the troll” rings true here! Obviously Gemma and co like to invoke a response and sometimes ignoring is impossible, but I really think just talking about them as little as possible is really the key to getting them to effectively.. well fcuk off.


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  • #12
    Annasopra
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The best response to the likes of her is no response. An educated response is not changing her mind no matter what & responding in kind is giving them attention.

    The old “don’t feed the troll” rings true here! Obviously Gemma and co like to invoke a response and sometimes ignoring is impossible, but I really think just talking about them as little as possible is really the key to getting them to effectively.. well fcuk off.

    Completely disagree on this. She needs to be challenged not ignored.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #13
    Harold Stale Finch
    Posts: 0 ✭ Harold Stale Finch


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Completely disagree on this. She needs to be challenged not ignored.

    To what end? Do you think challenging her views will change her mind or just drive her more into lunacy?

    And when I say ignored, I mean by general public Gardaí intervention where necessary etc is important, but I really don’t see any point to engaging with the likes of her, because it’s more drama for their followers.

    LOOK EVERYONE AN IGNORANT PERSON TRYING TO CHANGE ME


  • #14
    The Nal
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Completely disagree on this. She needs to be challenged not ignored.

    How would anyone challenge her? Shes never done an interview or had a conversation with anyone who disagrees with her idiotic views. Shes a coward. A chickensh1t.


  • #15
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,830 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    In before anyone claims otherwise, but she's a vile racist woman


  • #16
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Deleted User wrote: »
    To what end? Do you think challenging her views will change her mind or just drive her more into lunacy?

    And when I say ignored, I mean by general public Gardaí intervention where necessary etc is important, but I really don’t see any point to engaging with the likes of her, because it’s more drama for their followers.

    LOOK EVERYONE AN IGNORANT PERSON TRYING TO CHANGE ME

    If nobody challenges her then her and her followers will take that as agreement.


  • #17
    Harold Stale Finch
    Posts: 0 ✭ Harold Stale Finch


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    If nobody challenges her then her and her followers will take that as agreement.

    To be fair does she even take criticism as valid anyway? The other problem she won’t speak to anyone who could properly put them in their place and an argument between herself and you or I for example leads to nothing.

    If she’s out acting the bollocks, engaging her solves nothing. She won’t start to change her mind, she’s a lost cause.


  • #18
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Deleted User wrote: »
    To be fair does she even take criticism as valid anyway? The other problem she won’t speak to anyone who could properly put them in their place and an argument between herself and you or I for example leads to nothing.

    If she’s out acting the bollocks, engaging her solves nothing. She won’t start to change her mind, she’s a lost cause.

    oh absolutely she is a lost cause but other people seeing what she posts might see the reactions to her and stop going down her rabbit hole.


  • #19
    Harold Stale Finch
    Posts: 0 ✭ Harold Stale Finch


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    oh absolutely she is a lost cause but other people seeing what she posts might see the reactions to her and stop going down her rabbit hole.

    Definitely I don’t think her actions should be ignored and should be blasted back to outer space - I just think Gemma should be ignored.

    I guess what I’m saying is a thread like this is grand, but I wouldn’t entertain her directly in any fashion, be that commenting on one of her videos or speaking to her in real life.

    Though, if I ran into her, I can’t say I wouldn’t give her a dressing down, if she invited it.

    And I don’t mean in a sexy way.


  • #20
    pixelburp
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    oh absolutely she is a lost cause but other people seeing what she posts might see the reactions to her and stop going down her rabbit hole.

    O'Doherty speaks to an anti-society/authority demographic that'll find her whether we give her oxygen or not. Those people want to find rabbit holes and will discover all those corners antithetical to somewhere like Boards. As to O'Doherty, her views are abhorrent and misanthropic, but she also strikes as potentially mentally ill. I've often wondered if the tragic death of her husband caused a breakdown she has never recovered from.


  • #21
    Acosta
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The best response to the likes of her is no response. An educated response is not changing her mind no matter what & responding in kind is giving them attention.

    The old “don’t feed the troll” rings true here! Obviously Gemma and co like to invoke a response and sometimes ignoring is impossible, but I really think just talking about them as little as possible is really the key to getting them to effectively.. well fcuk off.

    It doesn't take much effort to discredit whatever crazy notions she tends to come out with.
    And when you consider how tiny her following is, which has not grown at all over the last few years, I think that shows that you're better off not completely ignoring it and instead addressing what she comes out with to help put off any new potential followers.


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  • #22
    tayto lover
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    pixelburp wrote: »
    O'Doherty speaks to an anti-society/authority demographic that'll find her whether we give her oxygen or not. Those people want to find rabbit holes and will discover all those corners antithetical to somewhere like Boards. As to O'Doherty, her views are abhorrent and misanthropic, but she also strikes as potentially mentally ill. I've often wondered if the tragic death of her husband caused a breakdown she has never recovered from.

    What happened her husband?


  • #23
    LollipopJimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    tayto lover wrote: »
    What happened her husband?

    Passed away from an illness a few years ago.


  • #24
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,221 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    LollipopJimmy wrote: »
    Passed away from an illness a few years ago.

    That’s sad.
    I wonder if it coincided with her antics starting?
    Maybe she really does need psychiatric help.


  • #25
    Birneybau
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,357 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    LollipopJimmy wrote: »
    Passed away from an illness a few years ago.

    Motor Neuron disease I believe, absolutely awful.


  • #26
    wiggle16
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭wiggle16


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Completely disagree on this. She needs to be challenged not ignored.

    Criticism only confirms to her that THEY are everywhere and that THEY really are out to get her. In any case she can't handle criticism, at all, she has never been able for it. The merit in criticism is for society to affirm that it considers her views repugnant, but I think it's best to try and ignore her entirely because:
    1) criticism only reinforces to her that she's under seige
    2) the overwhelming majority of her views are so whacked that the kind of person who would be influenced by them is likely a lost cause already

    She believes that the state/government is conspiring against the population, which she believes consists of indoctrinated lemmings, but has no problem bringing court cases against the state, as if the judiciary and legal system exists in a vacuum which this all-encompassing conspiracy somehow fails to touch. I realise that court cases are just another opportunity for her to promote her vitriol, but it shows how disjointed her thinking and beliefs must be. There is absolutely no use reasoning with someone like her.

    I think denying her the oxygen of publicity is the most effective way of dealing with her. Criticism just invites her into a coversation that she doesn't respect and wants to monopolise.


  • #27
    Mike Murdock
    Registered Users Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Birneybau wrote: »
    Motor Neuron disease I believe, absolutely awful.

    Think that is ultimately what tipped her over the edge.

    Watching her husband deteriorate in front of her eyes, over a number of years, probably led to her losing her mind.


  • #28
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Birneybau wrote: »
    Motor Neuron disease I believe, absolutely awful.

    Sure is, which makes her behaviors all the more weird and nasty....


  • #29
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Mike Murdock wrote: »

    Watching her husband deteriorate in front of her eyes, over a number of years, probably led to her losing her mind.

    Do you think this explains her vileness?

    Her thought out and intentional and deliberate vileness? I mean, it takes a hell of a lot of effort to behave the way she does...


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
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    I'm not sure he actually deteriorated. I think he died soon after diagnosis


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  • #31
    Birneybau
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    walshb wrote: »
    Do you think this explains her vileness?

    Her thought out and intentional and deliberate vileness? I mean, it takes a hell of a lot of effort to behave the way she does...

    I wasn't ameliorating her behaviour, just stating a fact.

    She's just a nasty piece of work.

    I think SHE thinks there is method to her madness. Unfortunately so do some scumbag morons.

    Think she enjoys being the Pied Piper to the rat(lickers)


  • #32
    LollipopJimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    I read on here before that the husband was sending nasty texts on her behalf to one of the families involved in one of her documentaries. She was always a hate filled ego maniac.

    Her vendetta against the Gardai is because Callinan had her sacked. She went after RTE when they sent her an invoice for footage, she went after Google when they suspended her. All of her crusades are personal and down to her loosing money. She's a witch


  • #33
    wiggle16
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭wiggle16


    LollipopJimmy wrote: »
    I read on here before that the husband was sending nasty texts on her behalf to one of the families involved in one of her documentaries. She was always a hate filled ego maniac.

    Her vendetta against the Gardai is because Callinan had her sacked. She went after RTE when they sent her an invoice for footage, she went after Google when they suspended her. All of her crusades are personal and down to her loosing money. She's a witch

    100% agreed about personalising everything.

    There's not much that's unique about her as nutters go, except that she has some media pull and savvy, with the result that we are talking about her right now.

    I work in the public sector, as part of my work I encounter plenty of similar people who seem to think that the only reason a government agency would be contacting them is to somehow persecute them or that there is something sinister at work (one guy accused me, in rambling letter after rambling letter, of sending him my 3 line letter to cause him stress and deliberately hasten his death from an incurable terminal illness - he's still alive 4 years on, I check every now and then). This is the kind of person I think of when I think of Gemma. No reasoning whatsoever.


  • #34
    humberklog
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    I see recently on a road trip she was bemoaning that radical lefties putting up lamps on motorway junctions don't care that they're disturbing...checks notes... hibernating birds?


  • #35
    wiggle16
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭wiggle16


    humberklog wrote: »
    I see recently on a road trip she was bemoaning that radical lefties putting up lamps on motorway junctions don't care that they're disturbing...checks notes... hibernating birds?

    :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac: FFS

    Edit: I just looked it up and watched it there... I'm in stitches. "Right now in Ireland, our birds are hibernating" with unassailable conviction her voice.


  • #36
    Vaughn Kind Receiver
    Posts: 0 ✭ Vaughn Kind Receiver


    tayto lover wrote: »
    That’s sad.
    I wonder if it coincided with her antics starting?
    Maybe she really does need psychiatric help.

    Was she not a fairly well regarded journalist before?


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  • #37
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Bradley Rhythmic Apricot wrote: »
    Was she not a fairly well regarded journalist before?




    ..at one stage. Been a downward spiral ever since.


  • #38
    NovemberWren
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭NovemberWren


    humberklog wrote: »
    I see recently on a road trip she was bemoaning that radical lefties putting up lamps on motorway junctions don't care that they're disturbing...checks notes... hibernating birds?

    now this, is seriously ok. the decimation of hedgerows, the planting of too woody hedges and of course so many lighting. A sparrow will not be seen from one end of the year to the next. National roads, also mean that barely a hedgehog or a deer or a pheasant or rabbit will ever dare to cross to another field, and so they are confined and may even dwindle? Is it all just a laceration of too many fast roads?


  • #39
    wiggle16
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭wiggle16


    NovemberWren wrote: »
    now this, is seriously ok. the decimation of hedgerows, the planting of too woody hedges and of course so many lighting. A sparrow will not be seen from one end of the year to the next. National roads, also mean that barely a hedgehog or a deer or a pheasant or rabbit will ever dare to cross to another field, and so they are confined and may even dwindle? Is it all just a laceration of too many fast roads?

    Well the issue is that she thinks it's all a leftist conspiracy. She doesn't give a flying f*ck about the environment otherwise.

    Lights aren't the worst anyway. I live in a city and there's plenty of bird life, it doesn't seem to bother them.


  • #40
    NovemberWren
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭NovemberWren


    wiggle16 wrote: »
    100% agreed about personalising everything.

    There's not much that's unique about her as nutters go, except that she has some media pull and savvy, with the result that we are talking about her right now.

    I work in the public sector, as part of my work I encounter plenty of similar people who seem to think that the only reason a government agency would be contacting them is to somehow persecute them or that there is something sinister at work (one guy accused me, in rambling letter after rambling letter, of sending him my 3 line letter to cause him stress and deliberately hasten his death from an incurable terminal illness - he's still alive 4 years on, I check every now and then). This is the kind of person I think of when I think of Gemma. No reasoning whatsoever.

    Oddly, there is mention about the public sector in U.K. over at Katie Hopkins website, called,#388. 388 is the number of under 60's in the U.K. who have died since the pandemic began.

    And the number of NHS staff on Friday, 30th October, '20, who did not show up to work, was 76,200.


  • #41
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    NovemberWren wrote: »
    now this, is seriously ok. the decimation of hedgerows, the planting of too woody hedges and of course so many lighting. A sparrow will not be seen from one end of the year to the next. National roads, also mean that barely a hedgehog or a deer or a pheasant or rabbit will ever dare to cross to another field, and so they are confined and may even dwindle? Is it all just a laceration of too many fast roads?

    That's as may be but that's not what Gemma was saying and isn't pertinent to what I was pointing out Gemma recorded herself saying.

    You should start a thread that's relevant to your concerns re wildlife.


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  • #42
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    NovemberWren wrote: »
    Oddly, there is mention about the public sector in U.K. over at Katie Hopkins website, called,#388. 388 is the number of under 60's in the U.K. who have died since the pandemic began.

    And the number of NHS staff on Friday, 30th October, '20, who did not show up to work, was 76,200.

    Maybe try the condpiracy theories forum?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #43
    wiggle16
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭wiggle16


    NovemberWren wrote: »
    Oddly, there is mention about the public sector in U.K. over at Katie Hopkins website, called,#388. 388 is the number of under 60's in the U.K. who have died since the pandemic began.

    And the number of NHS staff on Friday, 30th October, '20, who did not show up to work, was 76,200.

    Both patently false.

    The 388 number is incorrect on both counts - it refers to the number of under 45's, not under 60's, and is inaccurate itself. And I'd like to think that the over 60's matter just as much as everybody else in society. If you're actually promoting this you can't even get your conspiracy right.

    Anyway, not getting further into this BS here.


  • #44
    Birneybau
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,357 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    NovemberWren wrote: »
    Oddly, there is mention about the public sector in U.K. over at Katie Hopkins website, called,#388. 388 is the number of under 60's in the U.K. who have died since the pandemic began.

    And the number of NHS staff on Friday, 30th October, '20, who did not show up to work, was 76,200.

    What's your story? I'm genuinely interested


  • #45
    dan1895
    Registered Users Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭dan1895


    humberklog wrote: »
    That's as may be but that's not what Gemma was saying and isn't pertinent to what I was pointing out Gemma recorded herself saying.

    You should start a thread that's relevant to your concerns re wildlife.

    I doubt there are concerns about wildlife tbh.


  • #46
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,439 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    pixelburp wrote: »
    O'Doherty speaks to an anti-society/authority demographic that'll find her whether we give her oxygen or not. Those people want to find rabbit holes and will discover all those corners antithetical to somewhere like Boards. As to O'Doherty, her views are abhorrent and misanthropic, but she also strikes as potentially mentally ill. I've often wondered if the tragic death of her husband caused a breakdown she has never recovered from.

    I was agreeing with you right up to the "will discover all those corners antithetical to somewhere like Boards". Unfortunately, Boards is becoming the preferred home for her supporters and their ilk in increasing numbers.


  • #47
    Pherekydes
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    wiggle16 wrote: »
    Both patently false.

    The 388 number is incorrect on both counts - it refers to the number of under 45's, not under 60's, and is inaccurate itself. And I'd like to think that the over 60's matter just as much as everybody else in society. If you're actually promoting this you can't even get your conspiracy right.

    Anyway, not getting further into this BS here.

    Katie Hopkins' website should have been a red flag.


  • #48
    Harold Stale Finch
    Posts: 0 ✭ Harold Stale Finch


    tayto lover wrote: »
    That’s sad.
    I wonder if it coincided with her antics starting?
    Maybe she really does need psychiatric help.

    Yes, it did. She’s gotten worse and worse in the time since.
    Bradley Rhythmic Apricot wrote: »
    Was she not a fairly well regarded journalist before?

    Yeah, but since she started going a bit mad with the far right ****e no one will have her.


  • #49
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,304 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    https://twitter.com/aciquestion/status/1343891417425448961?s=09

    Looper.... I particularly like the real Dub fella saying "what are you doing here ya mad c#nt?" To the point.


  • #50
    LollipopJimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    gmisk wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/aciquestion/status/1343891417425448961?s=09

    Looper.... I particularly like the real Dub fella saying "what are you doing here ya mad c#nt?" To the point.

    What are you talking about... that's not a dub. :pac:


  • #51
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,304 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    LollipopJimmy wrote: »
    What are you talking about... that's not a dub. :pac:
    Oh yeah your right I think...point still stands lol


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