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Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

fortwilliam

Aaaaaaaah ballax!

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0715/1153499-politics-cabinet/

I get it, I really do, but why the focus on pubs?
I got a haircut today in the Grafton Barber where a nice barber cut my hair with no social distancing (Completely within guidance)
I just don't get the focus on the boozer...

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Charles Babbage

Dub81 wrote: »

It's like talking to a brick wall trying to reason with those on here who are clearly anti pub, numerous times ive asked for evidence to show that pubs are the cause of outbreaks to be produced and of course they cant because none exists,it's all opinions and what ifs, sorry lads that doesnt cut it.

This continual asking for "evidence to show that pubs are the cause of outbreaks" is puerile. We have seen periods when pubs are closed and Covid falls, we have seen periods when pubs are open and Covid increases. What more evidence do you need?

There is a no specific evidence against a given pub because when you get Covid nobody traces where you were with 5 days before, so in general this evidence does not exist unless there is some sort of super spreader event.

giveitholly

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I definitely got her name wrong! Jess something I think? The one who organized the event in the pub in Dublin

Oh yeah remember that during the summer wasn't it in the Berlin bar I think

Bass Reeves

Dub81 wrote: »

It's like talking to a brick wall trying to reason with those on here who are clearly anti pub, numerous times ive asked for evidence to show that pubs are the cause of outbreaks to be produced and of course they cant because none exists,it's all opinions and what ifs, sorry lads that doesnt cut it.

But you can all sleep well tonight knowing that these dangerous covid hotspots that are pubs are to close again and more people will be out of work yet again.

Good afternoon :eek:

We exited lockdown less than 20 days ago. Two biggest changes were pub and restaurant reopening and retail reopening. Numbers have climbed expodentially since at a much higher rate than ever before.

This time we cannot say testing and tracing is having an effect. Pubs are much more likely to be the cause rather than any other source. Evidence is clear that gastro pubs that opened acted more like pubs than as pub restaurants. There is glaring evidence that many served drink without food.

weldoninhio

hynesie08 wrote: »

Do you know the difference between outbreaks and cases?

Also considering there are over 200 cases related to the afters of a funeral, that article is outdated.

And calling out twitter links but using the sun as your source?? Cmon man.....

How do you know they aren't related to the actual funeral?? Does the holy spirit protect you in church?? No, couldn't be that, has to be the afters.

Bass Reeves

giveitholly wrote: »

Oh yeah remember that during the summer wasn't it in the Berlin bar I think

D2 Berlin pub

Shanotheslayer

giveitholly wrote: »

Oh yeah remember that during the summer wasn't it in the Berlin bar I think

Bass Reeves wrote: »

D2 Berlin pub

Yeh that's the one!

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/foodanddrink/other/berlin-bar-event-promotor-jess-brennan-breaks-silence-on-controversial-event/ar-BB18dyH1?li=BBr5MK2

bladespin

Bass Reeves wrote: »

We exited lockdown less than 20 days ago. Two biggest changes were pub and restaurant reopening and retail reopening. Numbers have climbed expodentially since at a much higher rate than ever before.

This time we cannot say testing and tracing is having an effect. Pubs are much more likely to be the cause rather than any other source. Evidence is clear that gastro pubs that opened acted more like pubs than as pub restaurants. There is glaring evidence that many served drink without food.

That's very circumstantial tbh, we can assume such but there's no evidence to prove it, you'd hope that there's be some seriously heavyweight evdience behind shutting a business down, a little more than that anyway.

weldoninhio

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Was the situation with Jess Brennan not an example and evidence of what can/did happen?

The event with 30/40 people at it that was hugely blown out of proportion??

Shanotheslayer

weldoninhio wrote: »

How do you know they aren't related to the actual funeral?? Does the holy spirit protect you in church?? No, couldn't be that, has to be the afters.

Realistically, what do you think is most likely?

melekalikimaka

Bass Reeves wrote: »

We exited lockdown less than 20 days ago. Two biggest changes were pub and restaurant reopening and retail reopening. Numbers have climbed expodentially since at a much higher rate than ever before.

This time we cannot say testing and tracing is having an effect. Pubs are much more likely to be the cause rather than any other source. Evidence is clear that gastro pubs that opened acted more like pubs than as pub restaurants. There is glaring evidence that many served drink without food.

unless of course the more potent strain is in ireland, which is very likely

weldoninhio

Bass Reeves wrote: »

We exited lockdown less than 20 days ago. Two biggest changes were pub and restaurant reopening and retail reopening. Numbers have climbed expodentially since at a much higher rate than ever before.

This time we cannot say testing and tracing is having an effect. Pubs are much more likely to be the cause rather than any other source. Evidence is clear that gastro pubs that opened acted more like pubs than as pub restaurants. There is glaring evidence that many served drink without food.

Have you seen the likes of Penneys etc?? People all over each other. I haven't seen people that close in a gastropub without being warned/asked to leave.

Shanotheslayer

weldoninhio wrote: »

The event with 30/40 people at it that was hugely blown out of proportion??

That's not what was asked though? It wasn't asked how many people etc, it was to show evidence.

That is evidence of a pub not following the procedures.

weldoninhio

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Realistically, what do you think is most likely?

There's a lot of hugs and hands shook at a funeral.

weldoninhio

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

That's not what was asked though? It wasn't asked how many people etc, it was to show evidence.

That is evidence of a pub not following the procedures.

Berlin Bar isn't a pub. It has a theater license.

Bass Reeves

weldoninhio wrote: »

How do you know they aren't related to the actual funeral?? Does the holy spirit protect you in church?? No, couldn't be that, has to be the afters.

Social distancing is church is observed at all church services. Numbers are limited to either 25 or 50 in an area that can often seat 300+.

Empty seats between rows and groups seated separately. Nothing to do with divine protection. Pubs have shown a scant regard for the rules just haul it in as fast as possible.

As well looking at countries that have left pubs and restaurants open all struggled to control the virus. The UK and NI are great examples

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bladespin wrote: »

That's very circumstantial tbh, we can assume such but there's no evidence to prove it, you'd hope that there's be some seriously heavyweight evdience behind shutting a business down, a little more than that anyway.

I know some. Plenty were at it. It's always a few that **** it up for the rest.

Shanotheslayer

weldoninhio wrote: »

Berlin Bar isn't a pub. It has a theater license.

Pedantic.

Shanotheslayer

weldoninhio wrote: »

There's a lot of hugs and hands shook at a funeral.

Absolutely, entirely possible. But again you didn't answer my question. What do you think is realistically more likely?

bladespin

6 wrote: »

I know some. Plenty were at it. It's always a few that **** it up for the rest.

I agree but have seen just as many 'breeches' outside the local church and in the shops, hardly proves the pub/restaurant to be the hub centre of Covid that many think it is, during the same timeframe many other restrictions were relaxed as well, it's also known to be surging through several schools now.

weldoninhio

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Social distancing is church is observed at all church services. Numbers are limited to either 25 or 50 in an area that can often seat 300+.

Empty seats between rows and groups seated separately. Nothing to do with divine protection. Pubs have shown a scant regard for the rules just haul it in as fast as possible.

As well looking at countries that have left pubs and restaurants open all struggled to control the virus. The UK and NI are great examples

We are talking about a specific funeral that apparently had 2/300+ people at it

bladespin

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Pedantic.

Not a bit, they've shown a disregard for their licence, many publicans would be much more careful, it's a huge difference IMO.

RocketRaccoon

The absolute state of people here trying to defend pubs staying open, you are absolutely pathetic and that's coming from someone who worked in one for 10 years on and off.

Of course I feel bad for the staff but I have also felt bad for them throughout all of this, I felt bad for the ones who have to be near absolute morons over the last few weeks who can't follow simple instruction and sit at a table, wear a mask to the toilet.

It's people like John(weldoninhio above) who are to blame for this, people who just constantly want to go against the government guidelines on this, the ones who think they are clever by booking tables in multiple bars to have a long night out. Well this is what it has gotten you.

Bass Reeves

weldoninhio wrote: »

Have you seen the likes of Penneys etc?? People all over each other. I haven't seen people that close in a gastropub without being warned/asked to leave.

Yes there is always idiots it just there is more in pubs. In pennies you are wearing a mask all the time, transmission is less likely, you are touching cloth materials which are less likely to transfer the virus,( it survives less time) you will not be there for 4-6 hours which pubs allowed this time.

weldoninhio

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Absolutely, entirely possible. But again you didn't answer my question. What do you think is realistically more likely?

A virus doesn't care about likely. If Person A shakes hands with Person B (bereaved), and spreads the virus, then Person B shakes 100, 200 other peoples hands it'll spread like wildfire in an allegedly packed church.

Shanotheslayer

bladespin wrote: »

Not a bit, they've shown a disregard for their licence, many publicans would be much more careful, it's a huge difference IMO.

I'm 100% confident many pubs would be more careful.

I'm also 100% confident many pubs would not be careful.

Bass Reeves

weldoninhio wrote: »

We are talking about a specific funeral that apparently had 2/300+ people at it

The cousins I presume. I think they tried to have a gathering last weekend in cork that had to be broken up as well.

Shanotheslayer

weldoninhio wrote: »

A virus doesn't care about likely. If Person A shakes hands with Person B (bereaved), and spreads the virus, then Person B shakes 100, 200 other peoples hands it'll spread like wildfire in an allegedly packed church.

I'm aware. So no need to waste your time explaining it. The fact you are choosing not to answer it would indicate to me that most likely you think it's actually the pub were it probably transmitted because, lets be honest, it sort of makes sense given alcohol being involved and the higher likelihood of interaction.

It will be impossible to ever know, but educated guesses are the best anybody can do in those situations. I'm sure the pub has CCTV? So I'm sure if they were all following procedure the pub will just release the CCTV and there will be no issues?

weldoninhio

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Pedantic.

Hardly pedantic, a theatre license is €500 a year. You could probably spin a profit out of that after 2/3 nights and not give a b*llix about losing it.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Few days notice again for the pubs. Lots of stock going to waste again. Poor publicans/restaurants.

weldoninhio

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I'm aware. So no need to waste your time explaining it. The fact you are choosing not to answer it would indicate to me that most likely you think it's actually the pub were it probably transmitted because, lets be honest, it sort of makes sense given alcohol being involved and the higher likelihood of interaction.

It will be impossible to ever know, but educated guesses are the best anybody can do in those situations. I'm sure the pub has CCTV? So I'm sure if they were all following procedure the pub will just release the CCTV and there will be no issues?

Will it be some special CCTV that'll show who already has the virus? :rolleyes: