Cilldara_2000 wrote: » The same figures for Dublin: 2011 total: 1,244,745 2016 total: 1,318,033 Increase: 73,288 Born in county 2011: 830,702 Born in county 2016: 880,457 Increase: 49,755 Source: https://data.cso.ie/table/E2040 So 67.9% of the increase was people born in Dublin. For Kildare it was actually minus 5.8%.
salmocab wrote: » Really I’d wonder why there seems to be buy in from second generation kids from parents outside of Dublin and apparently isn’t from kids of Dubs living in Kildare as the poster said. That seems like a breakdown of some sort.
ArielAtom wrote: » The population increase in Dublin is foreign nationals and country folk moving to Dublin, so similar to the Meath and Kildare situation with population growth.
Cilldara_2000 wrote: » In 2011, the population of Kildare was 208,783. In 2016 it was 220,693. The population born in the county in 2011 was 80,993, in 2016 it was 80,304.
NW_10 wrote: » I was in Celbridge around the time of the last All-Ireland and there houses decked in Dublin flags. Kids wearing Dublin jerseys. They won't be growing up to support Kildare.
salmocab wrote: » Why not though? A good few of my mates are Dublin supporters and have parents from outside of Dublin. They played hurling and football for Dublin clubs and grew up supporting the Dubs. I really don’t get why it would be different.
munster87 wrote: » Population, massive funding, home matches. All are disadvantages to Dublin GAA. Somehow. Denial.
Deathknell wrote: » I tend to agree. 3/4 for Dublin 1 for Cork, Galway, Limerick, Waterford, Derry, Belfast - Possibly Athlone/ Carlow, Laois, Kilkenny - Amalgamations would occur. Ironically - Hurling - could actually benefit IMHO. After 100 years its still only a sport played by 8-10 counties at the HIGHEST standard. You could have 2-3 pro teams north of the Dublin/ Galway Rd. Look - its speculation and we are still along way from that - but it might be the ultimate end point if the county system is busted by urbanisation. The other hope - is that this Covid thing, allows people to work from their homes and they dont have to move to the cities, and the trend to urban centres is stopped or reversed even. .
NW_10 wrote: » But their kids aren't playing for Dublin clubs. They are playing for Celbridge. A Kildare club.
Bass Reeves wrote: » Professionalism would not allow both hurling and football to survive. The money is not available within the country to allow multiple teams to survive. Look at soccer and rugby. At professional level they have relatively few teams. Football actually might have a slight better chance. With the large no of expats and historical emigration both the UK and US could support 3-4 teams between them. Then 3-4 based between Dublin and Leinster, 3-4 based between Ulster and Munster. Ulster might well have a better chance of two teams surviving rather than Munster unless the province was split into Cork and the rest based in Kerry. Then one in Connaught. This gives 10-12 professional teams. But an average professional team would cost 20 million to run. It would rob club structures and there following similar to soccer and rugby at present. A draft would rob players of there club and county ethos that is there at present.
tobefrank321 wrote: » You have to laugh when Dubs say youngsters would be lost to the GAA without huge GDF. As if there are no other sports in every other county. The other excuse for gdf is usually Dublin underperforming. Dublin won 5 AIs from 1974-2000, second only to a Kerry team that really was once in a generation.
tobefrank321 wrote: » Anyways the sport is ruined now, we can all agree on that. Its a Mickey Mouse sport that no-one including many Dubs take seriously. We will continue to see declining interest and crowds which is very welcome. People will have no interest forking out large sums for foregone conclusions, preparing to stick with sports where they don't know in advance the result!
tobefrank321 wrote: » Done right there's no reason why professionalism can't be a success. But it would need competent administration instead of the rank amateurs in the GAA. It would also require a genuine effort to expand the sport into the UK. You'd imagine a professional franchaise based in London would attract big crowds among emigrants.
kilns wrote: » It will with attitudes like that. Come on to the forum and all you see is moaning about Dublin this and Dublin that and the only solution the want is defund Dublin, which is very short sighted. Its not just Dublin which is a problem there are fundamental problems with how the whole system and competition is devised. I would love to hear proper solutions which would provide a level playing field for all, not just splitting Dublin and therefore in the short term boasting Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone My suggestions would be: 1. Scrap the county system as we know it. Create 20-24 Franchises, for example Dublin 1, Dublin 2, Longford/Roscommon, Louth/Armagh, Cork 1, Cork 2 etc etc. It would take probably a generation to buy into it but it needs to be done 2. Scrap County boards and centralise everything. Lets be honest most county boards are useless and involves small time politics which holds back progression 3. Centralise Coaching and Games Development for the whole Island 4. Centralise club fixtures and the calendars Just my suggestions
kilns wrote: » Where is the meme for the guy shaking his head with his head in his hands when you need it
Deathknell wrote: » I think the funding was based on this premise - it was a false premise. This number of winning titles 5 in 26 years between - 74-00 was underperforming for their population - but if you include losing finals, they lost 7 (Lost 4 to the great Kerry team & 4 finals between 83 & 95) but now they have reached a tipping point where the county is performing and probably above expectations. Since 94, they have won all 9 finals they have been in. 9 wins and no losses is probably a statistical anomaly, but 6 in a row, is showing a pattern. That is accentuated when you show Leinster Stats. Many factors are going into this but - primarily probably due to the organisation of their clubs & academies, and their huge numbers, and what underpins all good organisations - investment, human & financial.
tobefrank321 wrote: » Rigging a sport so a certain team should be winning more often is the very definition of corruption.
tobefrank321 wrote: » Kerry had 7 away games and Dublin had 7 home games in 2019. In what other sport apart from the farce that is gaelic football would that be fair?
Bass Reeves wrote: » I would not call the GAA tank amateurs. There is great credit due to it and to the players and team management involved at all levels. Since June it ran a nationwide club championships with 7-8 finals accross two codes to be finalised. It ran and completed County, hurling, football in both ladies and men's codes as well as U20's. Minors will be completed by Jan/Feb. Professional sports are struggling with it. Proferssion alone in football would cost 250 million per year to fund, 75% for teams within the country.
ShyMets wrote: » So has anyone explained how splitting Dublin gets the likes of Waterford, Antrim & Leitrim closer to winning a provincial title
Deathknell wrote: » +1 - Its the best Organisation in the country (Outside of Revenue) Are there badly organised sections, and things that can be improved... Hell yes..
Deathknell wrote: » Frank - we all get it, you're angry. If you are here to wind up Dubs - so be it, thats what it looks like.. If you're actually interested in the sport, and wish to see more counties get the chance - then you'll need to make more cogent arguments.
tobefrank321 wrote: » Only professionalism would make the likes of Leitrim competitive and that would probably include recruiting 3-4 professionals from other counties. Aside from that massively disproportionate gdf and professional coaches in every club as well as a professional county board CEO and other officials would in time see Leitrim win provincial titles. But of course the likes of Leitrim have been starved of funds in recent years with money instead rolling into super rich Dublin.
Cilldara_2000 wrote: » The problem with any solution that takes a generation to bed in is that in the meantime there's no income to sort out anything - gate receipts and TV income from club championships won't pay for too many coaches. A collection of armchair pundits (IE all of us posting here) can't be expected to be on top of what the best commercial solution which retains the income from the current senior inter county championships while also completely restructuring the GAA.
