risteard7 wrote: » I was looking at Paul Manions Instagram. A brand new Hyundai Tuscon from Mooney motors in Deansgrange last year, I presume every player got one. He has a Rolex watch on in the picture posing beside the jeep. Weirandsons on Grafton street kindly donated a Empori Armani smartwatch too, Lucky man. Meanwhile Darren Hughes of Monaghan is up early milking the cows to make ends meet. That's what I love about Amateur sport
vetinari wrote: » You realize that you're not proving the point you want to prove right? When any competition feels like it will have only one winner, it depresses crowds across the board. Neither Kerry or Tyrone fans had legitimate belief that they were going to be able to beat Dublin last year. The hardcore fans will still travel to the game but the more casual fans won't.
ooter wrote: » Yep limerick are very unlucky not to be going for 4 in a row next year but not a whisper about money.
Higgins5473 wrote: » You been on Ewan McKennas Twitter too, Give us your circa 400% increase in detail please, or an original thought of your own.
the kelt wrote: » Circa 400% increase in Dublins hurling success since the money came, probably a coincidence.
tritium wrote: » Remarkably 400% of 0 would still be 0 How to be disingenuous with data 101 The same approach would make Kerry look like they barely got a look in over the last 15 years even though most counties would kill to be in their shoes
the kelt wrote: » Well it’s kinda simple really. Let’s take 1980 to 2000 as 20 years and 2000 to 2020 as 20 years with funding being raised around 2005 so in reality 15 years. Senior hurling in the first 20 years, zero, since 2000, one Leinster and one national league, (I know this will come as a shock to certain posters who still maintain they’ve won zero as a fact apparently ) U20/21 nothing in the first 20 years, 4 Leinster titles since and another final coming up Minor one Leinster in the first 20 years and 6 in the next 20 years. It’s kinda all there in black and white on the record books etc so not actually an original thought really. Sorry about that.
the kelt wrote: » That’s a great way to about proving there’s been no increase in hurling success, well done with that one. But hell my maths was way off as I explained in a subsequent post citing the 20 years from 1980 to 2000 and from 2000 to now including minor and u20/21 which actually went from 1 title at all those grades to 12 so again yes my maths was wrong! Apologies for that
Enquiring wrote: » It's the real giveaway that something major occurred. The senior footballers are grabbing all the headlines but the massive change in other areas is where we can see the influence of the huge number of coaches which cost 3 million per year on average. First of all, you left out 2 All Ireland's the Dublin u21s won. In football, Dublin u21's had never won an All Ireland either, they won 5 since the money came in. A Dublin club never won a hurling All Ireland, theyve won 2 since the funding. Dublin ladies never won an All Ireland, they won their 5th yesterday again post funding. It really is such a crazy coincidence that all these one off teams appeared at the same time that a huge number of professional coaches appeared on the scene. Isn't it?
tritium wrote: » Sounds like youve more of an issue with anyone shaking up the established order than anything else tbh. Doesn’t seem a very sporting view, just a desire to maintain the same old status quo
Higgins5473 wrote: » Here’s one, the present Kerry team would’ve beaten that Dublin performance off without doubt Saturday night, Donegal also.
Higgins5473 wrote: » Here’s one, the present Kerry team would’ve beaten that Dublin performance off without doubt Saturday night, Donegal also. Mayo are just sh*t and got through by the years that’s in I it and by cynically pulling down a Galway player that would’ve won the game, Mayo had no right to be there, they’re not good enough. It was a freakish championship. Can’t see Mayo winning an All Ireland even when the last of the cursed expires.
Fann Linn wrote: » You should avoid those sites if it upsets ye that much.
Boom__Boom wrote: » Number of registered teams in each county 2019 Underage Hurling Underage Football Adult Hurling Adult Football Under 20 Hurling Under 20 Football Underage Total Adult Total Under 20 Total Total Cork 950 1091 217 255 99 116 2041 472 215 2728 Dublin 912 1137 113 186 21 25 2049 299 46 2394 Tipperary 544 511 120 74 55 45 1055 194 100 1349 Galway 401 382 105 102 38 40 783 207 78 1068 Meath 232 590 43 110 15 41 822 153 56 1031 Kildare 272 570 27 94 12 36 842 121 48 1011 Limerick 354 366 85 60 37 34 720 145 71 936 Waterford 395 385 76 56 4 3 780 132 7 919 Wexford 294 291 93 79 37 38 585 172 75 832 Clare 351 259 70 52 32 22 610 122 54 786 Kerry 132 468 23 113 9 40 600 136 49 785 Kilkenny 319 202 86 27 36 4 521 113 40 674 Mayo 56 469 6 84 3 38 525 90 41 656 Donegal 85 382 10 79 8 36 467 89 44 600 Louth 73 374 6 73 0 21 447 79 21 547 Tyrone 33 339 5 96 1 26 372 101 27 500 Antrim 165 188 47 62 9 20 353 109 29 491 Down 71 289 19 83 7 13 360 102 20 482 Laois 139 196 52 64 13 17 335 116 30 481 Offaly 144 142 42 56 14 13 286 98 27 411 Westmeath 82 202 32 59 10 17 284 91 27 402 Wicklow 89 206 21 67 1 14 295 88 15 398 Cavan 26 257 2 78 0 34 283 80 34 397 Armagh 56 231 8 66 2 24 287 74 26 387 Derry 68 208 13 66 6 20 276 79 26 381 Roscommon 46 201 13 56 5 21 247 69 26 342 Monaghan 27 225 8 64 0 6 252 72 6 330 Carlow 83 105 20 43 8 15 188 63 23 274 Sligo 55 153 7 37 1 17 208 44 18 270 Longford 24 164 4 33 0 15 188 37 15 240 Fermanagh 30 148 2 42 1 11 178 44 12 234 Leitrim 10 105 4 47 0 12 115 51 12 178 6518 10836 1379 2463 484 834 17354 3842 1318 22514 Number of registered teams in each county 2009 Underage Hurling Underage Football Adult Hurling Adult Football Under 21 Hurling Under 21 Football Underage Total Adult Total Under 21 Total Total Cork 771 884 237 288 97 128 1655 525 225 2405 Dublin 507 716 108 173 22 29 1223 281 51 1555 Tipperary 457 446 136 92 57 46 903 228 103 1234 Limerick 386 399 102 78 39 35 785 180 74 1039 Galway 335 385 113 116 41 41 720 229 82 1031 Wexford 300 291 99 89 37 39 591 188 76 855 Kerry 134 456 26 128 8 47 590 154 55 799 Meath 128 428 41 117 17 45 556 158 62 776 Antrim 286 295 50 71 13 19 581 121 32 734 Kilkenny 293 235 86 31 36 17 528 117 53 698 Waterford 272 222 76 63 25 24 494 139 49 682 Kildare 133 353 29 102 6 28 486 131 34 651 Clare 243 211 67 59 31 24 454 126 55 635 Tyrone 49 400 6 99 1 35 449 105 36 590 Mayo 51 365 9 85 4 41 416 94 45 555 Donegal 76 331 9 84 1 35 407 93 36 536 Louth 66 323 7 79 1 24 389 86 25 500 Down 89 245 22 91 1 10 334 113 11 458 Laois 118 150 62 71 12 17 268 133 29 430 Armagh 56 245 9 78 1 30 301 87 31 419 Wicklow 104 201 25 75 1 1 305 100 2 407 Cavan 12 242 3 89 0 32 254 92 32 378 Westmeath 66 152 33 65 12 23 218 98 35 351 Derry 44 217 14 71 1 1 261 85 2 348 Offaly 103 93 51 61 11 12 196 112 23 331 Monaghan 26 199 12 66 1 17 225 78 18 321 Carlow 79 117 18 47 8 14 196 65 22 283 Roscommon 38 128 15 61 5 26 166 76 31 273 Sligo 46 150 8 46 1 14 196 54 15 265 Leitrim 16 113 5 60 0 15 129 65 15 209 Longford 16 95 4 52 1 25 111 56 26 193 Fermanagh 23 101 3 42 1 9 124 45 10 179 5323 9188 1485 2729 492 903 14511 4214 1395 20120 Change in number of registered teams in each county between 2009 and 2019 Underage Hurling Underage Football Adult Hurling Adult Football Under 20 Hurling Under 20 Football Underage Total Adult Total Under 20 Total Total Dublin 405 421 5 13 -1 -4 826 18 -5 839 Kildare 139 217 -2 -8 6 8 356 -10 14 360 Cork 179 207 -20 -33 2 -12 386 -53 -10 323 Meath 104 162 2 -7 -2 -4 266 -5 -6 255 Waterford 123 163 0 -7 -21 -21 286 -7 -42 237 Clare 108 48 3 -7 1 -2 156 -4 -1 151 Tipperary 87 65 -16 -18 -2 -1 152 -34 -3 115 Mayo 5 104 -3 -1 -1 -3 109 -4 -4 101 Offaly 41 49 -9 -5 3 1 90 -14 4 80 Roscommon 8 73 -2 -5 0 -5 81 -7 -5 69 Donegal 9 51 1 -5 7 1 60 -4 8 64 Fermanagh 7 47 -1 0 0 2 54 -1 2 55 Laois 21 46 -10 -7 1 0 67 -17 1 51 Westmeath 16 50 -1 -6 -2 -6 66 -7 -8 51 Longford 8 69 0 -19 -1 -10 77 -19 -11 47 Louth 7 51 -1 -6 -1 -3 58 -7 -4 47 Galway 66 -3 -8 -14 -3 -1 63 -22 -4 37 Derry 24 -9 -1 -5 5 19 15 -6 24 33 Down -18 44 -3 -8 6 3 26 -11 9 24 Cavan 14 15 -1 -11 0 2 29 -12 2 19 Monaghan 1 26 -4 -2 -1 -11 27 -6 -12 9 Sligo 9 3 -1 -9 0 3 12 -10 3 5 Carlow 4 -12 2 -4 0 1 -8 -2 1 -9 Wicklow -15 5 -4 -8 0 13 -10 -12 13 -9 Kerry -2 12 -3 -15 1 -7 10 -18 -6 -14 Wexford -6 0 -6 -10 0 -1 -6 -16 -1 -23 Kilkenny 26 -33 0 -4 0 -13 -7 -4 -13 -24 Leitrim -6 -8 -1 -13 0 -3 -14 -14 -3 -31 Armagh 0 -14 -1 -12 1 -6 -14 -13 -5 -32 Tyrone -16 -61 -1 -3 0 -9 -77 -4 -9 -90 Limerick -32 -33 -17 -18 -2 -1 -65 -35 -3 -103 Antrim -121 -107 -3 -9 -4 1 -228 -12 -3 -243 1195 1648 -106 -266 -8 -69 2843 -372 -77 2394 Change in number of registered football teams in each county between 2009 and 2019 Underage Football Adult Football Under 20 Football Total Dublin 421 13 -4 430 Kildare 217 -8 8 217 Cork 207 -33 -12 162 Meath 162 -7 -4 151 Waterford 163 -7 -21 135 Mayo 104 -1 -3 100 Roscommon 73 -5 -5 63 Fermanagh 47 0 2 49 Donegal 51 -5 1 47 Tipperary 65 -18 -1 46 Offaly 49 -5 1 45 Louth 51 -6 -3 42 Longford 69 -19 -10 40 Clare 48 -7 -2 39 Down 44 -8 3 39 Laois 46 -7 0 39 Westmeath 50 -6 -6 38 Monaghan 26 -2 -11 13 Wicklow 5 -8 13 10 Cavan 15 -11 2 6 Derry -9 -5 19 5 Sligo 3 -9 3 -3 Kerry 12 -15 -7 -10 Wexford 0 -10 -1 -11 Carlow -12 -4 1 -15 Galway -3 -14 -1 -18 Leitrim -8 -13 -3 -24 Armagh -14 -12 -6 -32 Kilkenny -33 -4 -13 -50 Limerick -33 -18 -1 -52 Tyrone -61 -3 -9 -73 Antrim -107 -9 1 -115 1648 -266 -69 1313 Change in number of registered hurling teams in each county between 2009 and 2019 Underage Hurling Adult Hurling Under 20 Hurling Total Dublin 405 5 -1 409 Cork 179 -20 2 161 Kildare 139 -2 6 143 Clare 108 3 1 112 Meath 104 2 -2 104 Waterford 123 0 -21 102 Tipperary 87 -16 -2 69 Galway 66 -8 -3 55 Offaly 41 -9 3 35 Derry 24 -1 5 28 Kilkenny 26 0 0 26 Donegal 9 1 7 17 Cavan 14 -1 0 13 Westmeath 16 -1 -2 13 Laois 21 -10 1 12 Sligo 9 -1 0 8 Longford 8 0 -1 7 Carlow 4 2 0 6 Fermanagh 7 -1 0 6 Roscommon 8 -2 0 6 Louth 7 -1 -1 5 Mayo 5 -3 -1 1 Armagh 0 -1 1 0 Kerry -2 -3 1 -4 Monaghan 1 -4 -1 -4 Leitrim -6 -1 0 -7 Wexford -6 -6 0 -12 Down -18 -3 6 -15 Tyrone -16 -1 0 -17 Wicklow -15 -4 0 -19 Limerick -32 -17 -2 -51 Antrim -121 -3 -4 -128 1195 -106 -8 1081 The data for the registered number of teams was taken from the GAA financial accounts. I don't think the switch between the U21 and U20 age grade would have all that significant a factor in the number of teams registered. The big red warning klaxon for the GAA has to be the change in Dublin's figures. Going from 1,555 teams to 2,394 teams (an increase of 839 teams) in a decade show how much Dublin GAA has increased. Where the growth has occurred is the real worrying trend because it looks very much like the increase at underage hasn't yet really fed through to adult level so it's very likely that things are going to get much worse in terms of Dublin's dominance. There was an increase of 421 in the number of underage football teams, yet only an increase of 13 in the number of adult football teams. [Interestingly Dublin are the only county to show an increase in the number of adult football teams - ever other county, bar Fermanagh where the number didn't change, has less football teams at adult level than a decade ago] There was an increase of 405 in the number of underage hurling teams yet only an increase of 5 in the number of adult hurling teams. An overall increase of 826 in underage football and hurling teams yet that only increased the number of adult teams in football and hurling by 18. The fact that the worst is yet to come is borne out by Dublin GAA's own figures. From the Dublin GAA 2020 annual report For every 100 footballers who were between U8 and U12 in 2008, there are now 169 footballers across those same U8 to U12 age grades. For every 100 hurlers who were between U8 and U12 in 2008, there are now 219 hurlers across those same U8 to U12 age grades. Dublin have won 7 of the last 9 Senior All-Irelands and have never been as successful in terms of both codes at all levels and this is when the vast increase in underage playing numbers hasn't really fed through to senior level yet. Looking at the figures from a Kerry point of view - Dublin registered more new teams in this decade [839] than Kerry registered in total in 2019. This stat is true for 24 counties.
risteard7 wrote: » I was looking at Paul Manions Instagram. A brand new Hyundai Tuscon from Mooney motors in Deansgrange last year, I presume every player got one. He has a Rolex watch on in the picture posing beside the jeep. Weirandsons on Grafton street kindly donated a Empori Armani smartwatch too, Lucky man.Meanwhile Darren Hughes of Monaghan is up early milking the cows to make ends meet. That's what I love about Amateur sport
the kelt wrote: » No I’ve more of an issue with people trying to deflect from the issues at hand with some utterly bizarre notions that Dublin haven’t also has a huge upsurge in success at Hurling also. Actually bizarre notions is the wrong word, lies in the face of facts would be more apt. Deflection on both sides of the argument doesn’t actually help address the issues at hand which is why I think Mc Kenna is a bit of a dick as he makes it all about Dublin when in reality it’s not their fault at all.
tritium wrote: » The dublin ladies had been knocking on the door since about 2003, along with a few other teams. Knocking mainly against an exceptional Cork ladies team who really do define domination Dublin u21s won their first title in 2003 after being runners up in 2002. Bit of a stretch to say that was the money at work Bit disingenuous of you to ignore that don’t you think
the kelt wrote: » I don’t think Dublin have won an all Ireland hurling title at u20/21 though to be fair although they have a good team this year and may go close.
kilns wrote: » Can you concede that the senior hurling team has regressed since 2013?
Enquiring wrote: » 2007 and 2011.
ClanofLams wrote: » This is a really excellent, detailed post. Anyone who looks at this data and doesn't think Dublin domination will continue is either engaging in a bad faith argument or hasn't taken the time to understand it. Also very clear Dublin hurling will get significantly stronger in coming years. It's pretty clear this domination in a serious problem for the GAA as evident from lessening interest both attendance wise and tv viewership. The whys in relation to whether funding is justified etc isn't really important right now for the GAA. They need to start examining how best to tackle the issue as soon as possible, the longer they leave it, the worse it will get.
Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: » I can't see Mayo winning an All Ireland, simply because the team aren't as good as that of a few years ago.
