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Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

fortwilliam

Aaaaaaaah ballax!

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0715/1153499-politics-cabinet/

I get it, I really do, but why the focus on pubs?
I got a haircut today in the Grafton Barber where a nice barber cut my hair with no social distancing (Completely within guidance)
I just don't get the focus on the boozer...

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PTH2009

Big Back Clock wrote: »

There were spikes during lockdown periods where no gastropubs or cafe/restaurants were open.

It’s because people are going about their normal lives. As will happen in January even with everything closed.

As if young people aren’t going to congregate . House gatherings etc are happening and will continue to.

I can see it already today, everyone now knows that in the north / down here New Years eve is very likely going to be spent at home.

So the roll out of makeshift bars in peoples’ homes and garages has begun, the buying of kegs, mass buying of alcohol.

You can’t stop human nature.

To be honest I’d side with those who say the restaurants and gastropubs are more controlled. God knows how many “spikes” there will be all across the country because of mass gatherings at private residences and holiday homes from now until the new year.

I was in Dublin city centre last weekend in one gastropub on Saturday evening followed by another restaurant/pub. Very very controlled and all rules adhered to. People wearing masks when they left their tables.

It’s all absolute nonsense. It’s like the lad with his finger in the dam trying to stop the leak

a lot of places are controlled but there all grouped into 1 when a controversial social media video surfaces (which sometimes is not as bad as made out)

House parties are going to happen eitherway

Paddygreen

Time for the damp and wet pubs to go away and die now at this stage of the game. The longest goodbye ever.

The White Wolf

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ten of us heading out on Saturday for our Xmas party!! Honestly cannot wait!! Place we are going has some of the best Guinness around. Not often we all get together with family, work and kids. We tried conventional last year and went to CityNorth hotel for an Xmas party, but wasn't the same as our usual spontaneous one. Highlight last year was one of the lads messing with the computer that was showing a fire on a giant screen and googling pornhub on it and leaving the search page open on the giant screen. Never seen so many people scrambling to get to a computer so quickly. :D:D:D:D:D

Enjoy sir.

What were we at for cases pre lockdown lifted? 199-ish? I don't think we ever got down to low hundreds.

So, it was inevitable that once lockdown was rightfully lifted that we'd see an increase. Taking December 1st as the point lockdown was lifted, that's 481 cases being recorded in the daily report after 17 days. It doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

I feel people are just looking for a reason to have a dig and a whinge tbh so nothing new there. I say that as someone who hasn't been in the pub. Cases were always going to rise but people have this weird thing about Ireland being one of the best in class in Europe, just so they can lose that weird sense of personal shame they feel over their country's "alco" reputation.

weldoninhio

the kelt wrote: »

“Alcohol is a particular challenge for us in this country-let’s be honest”

Temperance Tony this morning on Newstalk

We are mid table in EU for alcohol consumption. Why is no one pulling Dr Death up on this??

[Deleted User]

Absolute [EMAIL="w@nkers"]w@nkers[/EMAIL] running the country. Havent got the balls to stand up to the NPHET and tell them to f#ck off and wait till January 6th to bring in new restrictions. I have planned a trip away on the 28th for a couple of nights, looks like i will have to cancel it again for a 3rd time :mad:. Had planned a night out for dinner and drinks with friends in the new year who recently got married to celebrate there marriage (Couldnt attend the wedding due to restriction on numbers). Looks like that will be cancel too. Getting really pissed off now. Wait till you see the amount of house parties now on new years eve. Will have only the government to blame

John O.Groats

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolute [EMAIL="w@nkers"]w@nkers[/EMAIL] running the country. Havent got the balls to stand up to the NPHET and tell them to f#ck off and wait till January 6th to bring in new restrictions. I have planned a trip away on the 28th for a couple of nights, looks like i will have to cancel it again for a 3rd time :mad:. Had planned a night out for dinner and drinks with friends in the new year who recently got married to celebrate there marriage (Couldnt attend the wedding due to restriction on numbers). Looks like that will be cancel too. Getting really pissed off now. Wait till you see the amount of house parties now on new years eve. Will have only the government to blame

Nope. The people who have disregarded the public health advice will have themselves to blame. Long past time for all "the gubbermint is to blame for everything" bull****e to be called out for the nonsense it is. And if people do hold house parties on New Years Eve or any other time which will inevitably lead to a further spike in cases then you and others can expect to have to continue cancelling your trips away for months to come.

[Deleted User]

John O.Groats wrote: »

Nope. The people who have disregarded the public health advice will have themselves to blame. Long past time for all "the gubbermint is to blame for everything" bull****e to be called out for the nonsense it is. And if people do hold house parties on New Years Eve or any other time which will inevitably lead to a further spike in cases then you and others can expect to have to continue cancelling your trips away for months to come.

The issue with spikes in cases isnt from the hospitality trade which has been treated terribly since the pandemic started. We all know where the issues are from. Schools,nursing homes,tourists coming into the country etc. The cnuts in government wont say where the numbers are coming from. Blaming the hospitality trade as usual

John O.Groats

Deleted User wrote: »

The issue with spikes in cases isnt from the hospitality trade which has been treated terribly since the pandemic started. We all know where the issues are from. Schools,nursing homes,tourists coming into the country etc. The cnuts in government wont say where the numbers are coming from. Blaming the hospitality trade as usual

NPHET have constanty stated that the spike in cases are manly linked to community transmission. What you have stated about schools and tourists coming in to the country is true to an extent but don`t try to delude yourself concerning the reality about public health advice being ignored by a large number of people .

[Deleted User]

John O.Groats wrote: »

NPHET have constanty stated that the spike in cases are manly linked to community transmission. What you have stated about schools and tourists coming in to the country is true to an extent but don`t try to delude yourself concerning the reality about public health advice being ignored by a large number of people .

Most people are adhering to public health advice. Only a minority are not. My problem is why are they closing down the hospitality trade again, they seem to have it in for them from the start.

Tenzor07

Deleted User wrote: »

Most people are adhering to public health advice. Only a minority are not. My problem is why are they closing down the hospitality trade again, they seem to have it in for them from the start.

I think now after 8 or 9 months of Holohan running the show that we know they'll use the figures pulled from the same models used by Imperial college to justify any measures they wish to implement..

Any Pub/restaurants I've been to recently were all super clean, distanced tables, time limits and can refuse service on anyone whose had too much booze...

Closing them up again based on pseudoscience and pushing people back into house parties fueled by cheap booze, no time limits, no masks, no increased hygiene will push case numbers up and you'll get to see Holohan or Glynn's faces on your Tv after the holidays saying how right they were to shutdown the country again even though any spike in cases was caused by the restrictions they told NoBailout Martin to implement!

They know they can't enforce the rules on one household visit and the majority of people will ignore it, so i'm sure the Lidl's and Aldi's are being emptied of Alcohol now as we speak in anticipation...

ginoginelli

Its duplicitous when vintners talk about their premises being covid safe when they put some sanitizer on the tables and mark out 2ms on the floor.

We have learnt this is very likely to have little affect on how the virus transmits. Ventilation, time spent, and masks are the key factors in stopping the spread.

None this is possible in any of these premises.

Indoor dining and drinking even more so (for obvious reasons) is far too risky until the vaccine. These dangerous hotspots must remain closed until after the vaccine unfortunately

[Deleted User]

ginoginelli wrote: »

Its duplicitous when vintners talk about their premises being covid safe when they put some sanitizer on the tables and mark out 2ms on the floor.

We have learnt this is very likely to have little affect on how the virus transmits. Ventilation, time spent, and masks are the key factors in stopping the spread.

None this is possible in any of these premises.

Indoor dining and drinking even more so (for obvious reasons) is far too risky until the vaccine. These dangerous hotspots must remain closed until after the vaccine unfortunately

Have you seen the numbers for the cafes,restaurants and pubs since they opened 2 weeks ago :cool:

weldoninhio

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you seen the numbers for the cafes,restaurants and pubs since they opened 2 weeks ago :cool:

Facts mean nothing to these people. It's about feelings. Same with masks.

HeidiHeidi

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you seen the numbers for the cafes,restaurants and pubs since they opened 2 weeks ago :cool:

Ask some people, the pubs are to blame.

Ask other people, the schools are 100% responsible.

Ask more, the house parties have us doomed.

Or it's the tourists/returning emigrants.

Or the funerals.

Or the shopping centres.

Or the GAA heads celebrating victories.

Or {insert grouping of choice here}

Or, or, or, or.......

The whataboutery all over Covid would be absoluely hilarious if it wasn't so serious.

(and two weeks is round about the lead time for effects of opening up to start to be seen, so your point is moot anyway)

[Deleted User]

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Ask some people, the pubs are to blame.

Ask other people, the schools are 100% responsible.

Ask more, the house parties have us doomed.

Or it's the tourists/returning emigrants.

Or the funerals.

Or the shopping centres.

Or the GAA heads celebrating victories.

Or {insert grouping of choice here}

Or, or, or, or.......

The whataboutery all over Covid would be absoluely hilarious if it wasn't so serious.

(and two weeks is round about the lead time for effects of opening up to start to be seen, so your point is moot anyway)

So what about when the pubs,restaurants,cafes etc were opened earlier in the year,were the numbers high, no they werent. Looks like i will be heading to the local shebeen over the christmas so

Macy0161

The problem is the contact tracing not going back far enough. 48 hours isn't enough, which means the Hospitality Sector is right to say "no evidence" in this State, despite the evidence in other Countries.

A cynic might suggest that it suits Government not to sort this out, as it also means they can say "schools are safe".

Community transmission just means they don't know. It doesn't mean any sector is or isn't "safe".

HeidiHeidi

Deleted User wrote: »

So what about when the pubs,restaurants,cafes etc were opened earlier in the year,were the numbers high, no they werent. Looks like i will be heading to the local shebeen over the christmas so

Well if you and others of like mind insist on increasing your random contacts, then this will go on and on.

It's all about contacts at the end of the day, if we reduce contacts we reduce transmission.

HeidiHeidi

Macy0161 wrote: »

The problem is the contact tracing not going back far enough. 48 hours isn't enough, which means the Hospitality Sector is right to say "no evidence" in this State, despite the evidence in other Countries.

A cynic might suggest that it suits Government not to sort this out, as it also means they can say "schools are safe".

Community transmission just means they don't know. It doesn't mean any sector is or isn't "safe".

I do accept this, but I can also see the government's point in bending over backwards with everything else in order to keep schools open. It affects other employment (working parents with no childcare arrangements) and has a huge effect on kids' mental health and lives. (yes, I know others are affected as well)

But I cannot for the life of me figure out why nobody can seem to get a handle on the contact tracing - it doesn't seem to be just Ireland where it so easily gets beyond any sort of control.

But in order to even have a shot at control by tracing, the numbers have to be brought down (and the number of contacts per case, obviously)

the kelt

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Well if you and others of like mind insist on increasing your random contacts, then this will go on and on.

It's all about contacts at the end of the day, if we reduce contacts we reduce transmission.

So if its all about contact reduction why are they allowing people to travel all over the country from today and then land back in to schools next monday and tuesday to mix with 30 or so other from numerous different families, no masks etc?

[Deleted User]

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Well if you and others of like mind insist on increasing your random contacts, then this will go on and on.

It's all about contacts at the end of the day, if we reduce contacts we reduce transmission.

Best thing you can do is lock yourself away until this is over. Some of us want to enjoy some sort of christmas.I am going to enjoy my pints over the christmas (will be keeping my distance from the others

) . Tony, NPHET and the government can feck right off

[Deleted User]

Macy0161 wrote: »

The problem is the contact tracing not going back far enough. 48 hours isn't enough, which means the Hospitality Sector is right to say "no evidence" in this State, despite the evidence in other Countries.

A cynic might suggest that it suits Government not to sort this out, as it also means they can say "schools are safe".

Community transmission just means they don't know. It doesn't mean any sector is or isn't "safe".

The hospitality sector conveniently draws all the flak. Any realm of uncertainty about contact tracing is being exploited to give pubs and restaurants both barrels. The level of bias here is off the scale - schools and hospitals are being given an incredibly soft ride despite prolific Covid clusters in these environments. Virtually no cases can be attributed to pubs/restaurants, yet they are demonised to the hilt. Media only parroting Holohan's contempt for alcohol, all notion of balance is out the window. Imagine being open for trade only a fortnight and receiving that sucker punch yesterday, sickening.

HeidiHeidi

the kelt wrote: »

So if its all about contact reduction why are they allowing people to travel all over the country from today and then land back in to schools next monday and tuesday to mix with 30 or so other from numerous different families, no masks etc?

More whataboutery. It's always someone else's fault.

They're prioritising. Just because you allow one thing, doesn't mean you can or should allow everything.

And I've made my point about the schools (although I do think they should have closed up today).

Deleted User wrote: »

Best thing you can do is lock yourself away until this is over. Some of us want to enjoy some sort of christmas.I am going to enjoy my pints over the christmas (will be keeping my distance from the others ) . Tony, NPHET and the government can feck right off

Well, as long as you're happy, then we're all happy. Because it's all about you.

HeidiHeidi

Deleted User wrote: »

The hospitality sector conveniently draws all the flak. Any realm of uncertainty about contact tracing is being exploited to give pubs and restaurants both barrels. The level of bias here is off the scale - schools and hospitals are being given an incredibly soft ride despite prolific Covid clusters in these environments. Virtually no cases can be attributed to pubs/restaurants, yet they are demonised to the hilt. Media only parroting Holohan's contempt for alcohol, all notion of balance is out the window. Imagine being open for trade only a fortnight and receiving that sucker punch yesterday, sickening.

So do you think we should close hospitals because there have been outbreaks there? How would that work?

(yes, I'm being deliberately hyperbolic with that statement)

On the scale of necessary, I'd put hospitals and schools along way ahead of pubs and restaurants.

Macy0161

People would seriously say pubs are more important than schools and hospitals? Really?

[Deleted User]

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

More whataboutery. It's always someone else's fault.

They're prioritising. Just because you allow one thing, doesn't mean you can or should allow everything.

And I've made my point about the schools (although I do think they should have closed up today).

Well, as long as you're happy, then we're all happy. Because it's all about you.

I will be happy when i am having a few pints over the christmas

. You can keep living in fear of the virus and bowing to Tony and the muppets in NPHET. Some of us are going to try and get on living some sort of life

[Deleted User]

Macy0161 wrote: »

People would seriously say pubs are more important than schools and hospitals? Really?

Did anyone mention here pubs are more important than schools and hospitals :cool:

boombang

weldoninhio wrote: »

We are mid table in EU for alcohol consumption. Why is no one pulling Dr Death up on this??

I believe we also have quite a high proportion of non drinkers. When you account for that, the amount drunk by those that do drink puts us up much.

Tenzor07

Deleted User wrote: »

I will be happy when i am having a few pints over the christmas . You can keep living in fear of the virus and bowing to Tony and the muppets in NPHET. Some of us are going to try and get on living some sort of life

You're dealing with a hardcore of Lockdowners who follow the Mantra of Zero Covid and with their Sages; McDonkey, O'Neill, Ryan, Scally preaching from the pulpit of RTE, Newstalk, Independent etc.
They follow the daily sermons of pseudoscience, fear, blame and doom. It's more like a cult now at this stage and you won't change their opinions the mind is too far gone now, they welcome more restrictions in their pandemic-induced brain fog which is to such a level that they can't accept people can exercise good judgement and personal responsibility anymore..

HeidiHeidi

Deleted User wrote: »

I will be happy when i am having a few pints over the christmas . You can keep living in fear of the virus and bowing to Tony and the muppets in NPHET. Some of us are going to try and get on living some sort of life

And always, always it comes back to this lazy, trite and tired dichotomy.

The Covid equivalent of Godwin's law.

On that note, I'm out (again).

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

I will be happy when i am having a few pints over the christmas . You can keep living in fear of the virus and bowing to Tony and the muppets in NPHET. Some of us are going to try and get on living some sort of life

Enjoy them. They'll be shut again in 10-12 days