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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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Today being Paddy Day 2020... when do you think we will have a ‘flu jab’ / pill / syrup that we can take to make us immune/ les likely to catch this 19 virus?.

Mod: The purpose of this thread is baked into the title - COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures - it's not a platform to push an anti vaccination agenda. If posters wish to discuss the perceived cons of vaccinations, or push various theories regarding 'the agenda' (whatever that is supposed to mean), open a thread elsewhere on it.

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Micky 32

El Sueño wrote: »

It's becoming tiresome at this stage. Even if the vaccine reduces severe disease and nothing else, there's no reason for restrictions to be kept on. Literally none.

I agree. I don’t think i’d be too cautious keeping my distance from someone else if knew they were also vaccinated.

Dickie10

why on earth do they come out with things like that? like i have this knawing feeling that the medical people have this fantasy world they would like society to be like. What would a medics social life be like n this fantasy world? what would people do for fun?

Approved User Assesment

Micky 32 wrote: »

I agree. I don’t think i’d be too cautious keeping my distance from someone else if knew they were also vaccinated.

How would you know: that someone in a line behind you waiting for a double latte had taken it, would they wear a badge to say they did/didn't?

Micky 32

Approved User Assesment wrote: »

How would you know: that someone in a line behind you waiting for a double latte had taken it, would they wear a badge to say they did/didn't?

At this stage i couldn’t care less to be honest. I’m on the list last for getting the vaccine. So by the time i get it most people that can get it should have had it. So it’s their problem if they won’t take it. As for the people who can’t take it maybe they should consider their position about standing in a line behind me or anyone else before getting a double latte.

BeefeaterHat

Dickie10 wrote: »

why on earth do they come out with things like that? like i have this knawing feeling that the medical people have this fantasy world they would like society to be like. What would a medics social life be like n this fantasy world? what would people do for fun?

These very same people will then criticize the public for breaking the restrictions, not realizing the doomsaying they come out with is just pissing people off. If the government think I'm wearing a mask or social distancing or #holdingfirm once I'm vaccinated they'd better think again.

Dickie10

the next 10 days is crucial........

Micky 32

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

These very same people will then criticize the public for breaking the restrictions, not realizing the doomsaying they come out with is just pissing people off. If the government think I'm wearing a mask or social distancing or #holdingfirm once I'm vaccinated they'd better think again.

Then when you see the twitter link that someone posted earlier about the excitement the delivery of the first vaccines, even the comment “ end of the pandemic”. Everyone in the video happy and in good spirits. What a difference in attitude this country has :rolleyes:

Martina1991

VG31 wrote: »

Exactly. Keeping masks and social distancing would be ridiculous if you can only get mild symptoms. It would be like saying we should keep restrictions to stop people catching a cold.

I wouldn't say its ridiculous. I would say that social distancing, masks, more hand washing has helped reduce a vast number of illnesses, not just Covid.

Pneumonia, tonsillitis, measles, mumps, as well as the common cold. I would say even gastrointestinal illnesses have reduced as well. I havent heard of any winter vomiting/ diarrhoeal illness going around yet.

We've kind of become conditioned now to being vigilant about hygiene practices. Why go back to unhygienic actions like sharing cigarettes, glasses, touching numerous door handles, trolleys, public bathrooms etc.

I hate wearing a mask all day but I'm in favour of practices that have many benefits.

Micky 32

Martina1991 wrote: »

I wouldn't say its ridiculous. I would say that social distancing, masks, more hand washing has helped reduce a vast number of illnesses, not just Covid.

Pneumonia, tonsillitis, measles, mumps, as well as the common cold. I would say even gastrointestinal illnesses have reduced as well. I havent heard of any winter vomiting/ diarrhoeal illness going around yet.

We've kind of become conditioned now to being vigilant about hygiene practices. Why go back to unhygienic actions like sharing cigarettes, glasses, touching numerous door handles, trolleys, public bathrooms etc.

I hate wearing a mask all day but I'm in favour of practices that have many benefits.

So you’re proposing social distancing and restrictions indefinitely?

Deeper Blue

Martina1991 wrote: »

Pneumonia, tonsillitis, measles, mumps, as well as the common cold. I would say even gastrointestinal illnesses have reduced as well. I havent heard of any winter vomiting/ diarrhoeal illness going around yet.

I really don't think it's worth keeping restrictions just to suppress those diseases. We were doing ok before when these were all around.

Goldengirl

El Sueño wrote: »

I really don't think it's worth keeping restrictions just to suppress those diseases. We were doing ok before when these were all around.

Ahh, don't think that is what she meant though ..just a side effect.

DaSilva

Is there any realistic concern over the virus circulating widely and a certain amount of the population being vaccinated leading to selective pressure against the parts of the virus the vaccine targets?
I have a feeling USA is going to end up like that for a while, high number of cases and high number of vaccinations meaning lots of vaccinated people being exposed to the virus, just not sure if there is a danger in that.

Martina1991

Micky 32 wrote: »

So you’re proposing social distancing and restrictions indefinitely?

No not restrictions on retail, travel or social situations, but I think sand sanitizer stations should still be everywhere and some vulnerable people may still choose to wear masks in crowded places, on planes etc and people will become more aware of their hygiene practices as a result of all this.

VG31

Martina1991 wrote: »

No not restrictions on retail, travel or social situations, but I think sand sanitizer stations should still be everywhere and some vulnerable people may still choose to wear masks in crowded places, on planes etc and people will become more aware of their hygiene practices as a result of all this.

No one's going to stop people from wearing masks if they want. But I don't think they should be normalised as a basic hygiene measure long-term.

Better hand washing, cough etiquette and not going into work if you're sick are different matters. These are simple positives that should remain. Although I think hand sanitiser stations remaining everywhere is a bit OTT. People can carry it with them if they feel they need it.

ZX7R

Approved User Assesment wrote: »

For some.

Unless it vanishes, the 40% who choose to opt-out of vaccines will be restricted from many jobs, travel, services or locations. Perhaps other factors such as insurance policies, fiscal offerings, loans and so on. Not forgetting a possible future UBI type policy.

It not going to vanish.
On the plan issued by the EU commission wich was agreed by all members regarding vaccination and moving forward in regards to the covid pedemic the minimum uptake of vaccinations needed for the ending of restrictions is 40 percent per head of population of each state.
Outside the EU who knows what will happen, but most of what you listed won't happen in the eu bloc.

Level 42

From the above posts I gather the next 2 weeks are crucial

Cork2021

As we speak the whole plan has started leaking, just got push notification from RTE, more on morning ireland

Henryq.

Looks like we're slow playing the vaccine rollout

They're talking early summer before everyone is vaccinated

Cork2021

Henryq. wrote: »

Looks like we're slow playing the vaccine rollout

They're talking early summer before everyone is vaccinated

Doesn’t surprise me! We’ll be the last as usual. We’ll play with caution while the rest of Europe gets locked!

Henryq.

Cork2021 wrote: »

Doesn’t surprise me! We’ll be the last as usual. We’ll play with caution while the rest of Europe gets locked!

Usual car crash

Doctors nurses and pharmacists are going to be trained to administer the virus lol

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1215/1184439-covid19-vaccination-plan/

Cork2021

Article from the examiner, I can’t see us wearing masks past June, they’ll have to lift all restrictions once we hit the 70% mark surely? Or is this a play that’ll happen every winter going forward? I hope not!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40190799.html?fbclid=IwAR3M08X-uOiXqrZ5D9xh_8jJdmdg4i-rVDz-0CkvOi-MOo8ik9KtMDzxfh4

leahyl

I honestly think they are just being cautious so that when most people are vaccinated by late April they can say “we are ahead of schedule”! Hopefully...! :-P

JacksonHeightsOwn

Henryq. wrote: »

Usual car crash

Doctors nurses and pharmacists are going to be trained to administer the virus lol

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1215/1184439-covid19-vaccination-plan/

I got the flu jab from my local pharmacy only a few weeks ago, and I have to be honest, I never felt a pinch, so no issue with these lads administering the covid jab

leahyl

chrisbonnie wrote: »

I got the flu jab from my local pharmacy only a few weeks ago, and I have to be honest, I never felt a pinch, so no issue with these lads administering the covid jab

Got it from my GP, he came over and stood next to me and said “all done”! Didn’t even feel a pinch, like you said. The pharmacists are great too.

leahyl

Henryq. wrote: »

Usual car crash

Doctors nurses and pharmacists are going to be trained to administer the virus lol

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1215/1184439-covid19-vaccination-plan/

Hopefully not, could do without getting the virus now with the vaccine on the horizon :-P

is_that_so

Level 42 wrote: »

From the above posts I gather the next 2 weeks are crucial

Actually, the initial post-vaccine period is. The next 2-4 weeks are just labelled with the usual stay away from people finger wagging.

Henryq.

leahyl wrote: »

Got it from my GP, he came over and stood next to me and said “all done”! Didn’t even feel a pinch, like you said. The pharmacists are great too.

That was my point

What training do they need

olestoepoke

VG31 wrote: »

Although I think hand sanitiser stations remaining everywhere is a bit OTT. People can carry it with them if they feel they need it.

Universities have had hand sanitiser stations for years before covid. Why is it OTT? They should stay in high traffic areas.

is_that_so

leahyl wrote: »

I honestly think they are just being cautious so that when most people are vaccinated by late April they can say “we are ahead of schedule”! Hopefully...! :-P

It's doubtful we'll get that far by April, by June or July absolutely, but along with some level of restrictions. That said, they need a far more sophisticated level of communication than one that sounds like vaccines are not the end of this. That's not the way to encourage people to sign up for it.

Peregrinus

The training to administer the vaccine has little to do with the actual administration of the injection. Doctors, nurses and pharmacists already have that skill.

It'll be more to do with handling and preparation of the vaccine - few of them will have experience of how to deal with a drug that is stored at -70, or that needs to be diluted with normal saline before administration, like the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine - and also with answering people's questions about the risks and benefits of the vaccine, possible side effects, longevity of protection, etc. It's going to be particularly important that that last aspect is handled well, because anti-vaxxer hysteria has the potential to become a huge public health hazard if not countered by honest, responsible, reliable, trustworthy and credible information.

(And of course both the training on handling and preparation, and the training on information and communication, is going to have to cover different vaccines, as soon as we have more than one approved vaccine available.)