the-island-man wrote: » Hi, I am wondering if someone could clarify what way the salary scale works in the public service? I have recently seen an advertisement for a job in the public service and a salary scale is given. It has salary points labelled from 1-13 followed by 3 more salary points labelled with MAX, LSI 1 & LSI 2. I have absolutely no idea how this works. Is the successful candidate able to negotiate the salary or is it based specifically on years of service within the public sector? Thank you in advance, the-island-man
Diceicle wrote: » Your starting point on the scale can be negotiated - normally it is not. Very much depends on the level you are going in on, skill set etc If you're going in as an experienced Project Manager on a high level project, you've more room for negotiation than a Clerical Officer per see. LS1 and 2 are normally 3 and 5 years respectively.
caviardreams wrote: » If you are brand new to the public service I am pretty sure you start at the minimum end of. Some leeway these days for incremental credit for previous public service
Samuel T. Cogley wrote: » LS1 and LS2 are 3 and 6 years no? Certain Civil Service COs and EOs are skipping points 4 and 8 on the scale - not sure about public service.
Hi folks, I took up my first role in the a stautory agency ie public service in Janunary 2021 - it was a mat leave contract but I worked there up until my new role which is still within the public service - do I have a right to an increment or what is the best way to go about it?
You'll have to claim it from your hr
Completely different question from what parisee88 is asking but say you are 5 points along the salary scale on a particular grade, let's say a HEO for argument sake and you get a promotion to AP. Do you start at the bottom of the salary scale for an AP or do you go straight to 5 points along the scale?
You go to the bottom of the scale unless your salary in previous role is higher than that
It's all dealt with in the circular which details pay upon promotion
Thanks have raised it with them so will report back here! Going to be gobbled up by inflation in any case..
This one I presume:
https://www.gov.ie/en/circular/57443f-082019-starting-pay-on-promotion/
Going in mid-scale hasn't happened for about 20 years. Read the booklet for the competition. It will tell you that you start at the bottom of the scale, unless you have prior public service experience.
That might be the case in the Civil Service but in the part of the Public Service I work in I regularly take in staff well up the relevant scale who has no prior public sector experience. I have to justify it every time but that's easy enough to do as they (a) usually earned more in the private sector and wont join if it means a large pay cut or (b) have a skill set I won't get for point 1 on the scale.
I’d love to see one of your recruitment booklets,
We don't issue Recruitment Booklets per se, rather job descriptions with Functional and Core Competencies listed along with a salary scale and a note that you will be placed on a point on the scale in line with Dept. Finance Guidelines / based on experience and qualifications. I'd never be able to recruit entry level admin support if they had to start on point 1 of the relevant scale (~€27,500).
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This contradicts current DPER policy; from;https://circulars.gov.ie/pdf/circular/per/2019/08.pdf
I'm in the wider public service rather than the civil service. We would appear to have a lot more flexibility than the civil service. Our grades aren't really analogous to any civil service grades.
Commercial semi state?
Hard to believe that admin support is the issue? Admin jobs have the same requirements everywhere. If you were talking about specialised technical roles, then you might have an argument but not basic admin.
Not commercial semi state, third level education. Most of our entry level admin roles require a couple of years experience and some a degree but not all.
Going off topic here but I am always in awe of how popular the Clerical Officer threads are on here when I can struggle to get more than 5-6 applicants for a similar role with similar entry criteria but with with better pay and prospects. We don't advertise on Public Jobs as a rule so maybe we aren't on everyone's radar (that goes for almost the entire sector).
Just seems out of whack with what is going on elsewhere. Here's an Exec Assistant post in Maynooth University, looking for degree plus three years, offering Dept Finance scale starting at €25k - 12 month contract, noting "New entrants to the public sector will be appointed on the first point of the above scale".
https://my.corehr.com/pls/nuimrecruit/erq_jobspec_version_4.display_form?p_company=1&p_internal_external=E&p_display_in_irish=N&p_process_type=&p_applicant_no=&p_form_profile_detail=&p_display_apply_ind=Y&p_refresh_search=Y&p_recruitment_id=013961
Can puy be negotiated. I am on the top end of a scale in public sector with department of education. €42k
I have applied for a new job with starting salary 33k I’m public sector however this role requires a level 8 degree to do and my other role didn’t. It’s a higher more responsibility role. Will I automatically go in on the scale at 42k or will I have to fight for it?
What does it say exactly about starting salary in the booklet for the new post?
It says starting point scale one I think? I’ll go check.
Entry will be at the minimum of the scale and the rate of remuneration will not be subject to negotiation and may be adjusted from time to time in line with Government pay policy.
Different terms and conditions may apply if you are a currently serving civil or public servant.
You should be able to get put on to the same salary you are on now then.
That would be great. I am currently on a career break and working in private sector. Do you have to be in the job to get it. Is a career break stilL considered being employed as such.
Good updates.
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