COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Deleted User wrote: »

She also highlighted that it will be more difficult to get back to normal by next summer if cases in January are surging after Christmas.

It might but if she's right about their vaccine we'll have at least 3, if not more vaccines, by summer. Even with a certain level of cases, hospital systems should be back to normal, and what's out there almost all of the mild variant.

is_that_so wrote: »

None of which is happening anyway. This really seems like a conspiracy theory, with no foundation except your opinion.

Unlike vaccines, this is something I do know a lot about

The misinformation tactics emerged during the cold war and were used both by the West & the Soviets to cause disruption in their client states. Unfortunately social media makes them easier. It's very obvious when you see the basic patterns, and they are being repeated both in vaccine misinformation and other parts of our society - watch Trump do the same, and also I'd argue some political parties in Ireland are using the same tactics.

The key strategy is to try and detach ordinary people from the institutions which are supposed to be informing them, and try and get them to rely on their own "common sense". Most people inform themselves about topics through simple emotional messages, and don't have the time or interest to go deep into analysis. If you can undermine the institutions ("you can't trust CEPI because Bill Gates is involved", or "xyz pharma are making billions on this", or "the Regulators previously signed off on this medicine which caused all these side effects"), then you have a much simpler job as it's easier to sell simple emotional messages to people. "RNA vaccine" = sounds scary. "Most vaccines take 10 years". "Natural immunity is better than artificial immunity". "It's just a flu for most people." All of these sound like common sense, and people will accept them and get on with the more important things in their life. Some people will take it on themselves to amplify these messages, and tell all their friends their "common sense" advice on the vaccine.

It's very difficult to counter, and disinformation is a weapon essentially.

Deleted User wrote: »

As others have pointed out their published results were confused by the dosing and the time between doses being inconsistent, but interesting that she still seems to believe approval is close.

Good point in that interview that their US trial should read out soon. I would hope it could be approved relatively quickly for younger/not very vulnerable groups at the very least, and there are apparently lots of doses already manufactured. Particularly as it looks to be safe, prevents severe Covid and seems to have an impact on reducing transmission.

hmmm wrote: »

Unlike vaccines, this is something I do know a lot about The misinformation tactics emerged during the cold war and were used both by the West & the Soviets to cause disruption in their client states. Unfortunately social media makes them easier. It's very obvious when you see the basic patterns, and they are being repeated both in vaccine misinformation and other parts of our society - watch Trump do the same, and also I'd argue some political parties in Ireland are using the same tactics.

The key strategy is to try and detach ordinary people from the institutions which are supposed to be informing them, and try and get them to rely on their own "common sense". Most people inform themselves about topics through simple emotional messages, and don't have the time or interest to go deep into analysis. If you can undermine the institutions ("you can't trust CEPI because Bill Gates is involved", or "xyz pharma are making billions on this", or "the Regulators previously signed off on this medicine which caused all these side effects"), then you have a much simpler job as it's easier to sell simple emotional messages to people. "RNA vaccine" = sounds scary. "Most vaccines take 10 years". "Natural immunity is better than artificial immunity". "It's just a flu for most people." All of these sound like common sense, and people will accept them and get on with the more important things in their life. Some people will take it on themselves to amplify these messages, and tell all their friends their "common sense" advice on the vaccine.

It's very difficult to counter, and disinformation is a weapon essentially.

Most of the disinformation is coming out of YouTubers and bloggers discovering the "real truth" and channelling each other. I'd blame German "immunologists" for starting a lot of that. Add in the genuinely dangerous antivaxxers and those Deep State theorists and there's actually no reason for them to bother.
One can cee why they'd try to hack vaccine data, cold storage supply chain data and anything else they can get into but COVID disinformation really offers no benefits at all. The only thing they have clearly been up to is pushing their own vaccines and in China's case rewriting the COVID origin story.

https://twitter.com/gabegutierrez/status/1338132794141237249?s=19

hmmm wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gabegutierrez/status/1338132794141237249?s=19

Good stuff. Hope it's not hijacked!

is_that_so wrote: »

Good stuff. Hope it's not hijacked!

Each of those trucks represent potentially hundreds of lives. No pressure drivers

Russman

hmmm wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gabegutierrez/status/1338132794141237249?s=19

Now, imagine that truck with An Post on the side of it....:D

Great to see it kicking into action though, if for no other reason than giving people a sense that the end of the pandemic is, maybe not near, but on the horizon somewhere.

marno21

is_that_so wrote: »

Good stuff. Hope it's not hijacked!

They are being escorted by US Marshalls.

marno21 wrote: »

They are being escorted by US Marshalls.

I think I've seen that movie!

ZX7R

Russman wrote: »

Now, imagine that truck with An Post on the side of it....:D

Great to see it kicking into action though, if for no other reason than giving people a sense that the end of the pandemic is, maybe not near, but on the horizon somewhere.

If it was an post lorry it would be a late delivery

Van.Bosch

Is there any stats on how many UK vaccines were done this week

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Is there any stats on how many UK vaccines were done this week

According to this they are expecting 800,000 doses over the next few weeks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55227325

Marhay70

Ireland is not alone in having problems with cop-on among the ranks of its top judiciary, when it comes to accepting Covid for the threat that it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/11/south-africa-chief-justice-unrepentant-link-vaccines-satanism-coronavirus

timsey tiger

Marhay70 wrote: »

Ireland is not alone in having problems with cop-on among the ranks of its top judiciary, when it comes to accepting Covid for the threat that it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/11/south-africa-chief-justice-unrepentant-link-vaccines-satanism-coronavirus

Being an entitled douche who thinks the rules don't apply to onesself aka the RTE heros, is one thing this loon is in a totally different league.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The vaccine will bring a return to normal. Not sure why anyone would think otherwise.

I can't understand why people keep saying that things will go back to normal, when they obviously won't.
It will be a new normal, not the old normal, so it won't be the normal we used to know.

is_that_so wrote: »

It might but if she's right about their vaccine we'll have at least 3, if not more vaccines, by summer. Even with a certain level of cases, hospital systems should be back to normal, and what's out there almost all of the mild variant.

News of today is that Sanofi and AstraZeneca had some issues with the production and their supply won't be available till early months 2022.
Italy was expecting 202 millions doses from different suppliers, but we'll have to say goodbye to at least 81 millions doses because of these technical issues.
I think all other countries will be in the same conditions according to their quotas.
Also, our emergency team said they're sure all the population will be given the vaccine before the end of September 2021, which I wonder how they will give them all with only 1,500 centres across the country, that is about 350 a day per centre. Impossible!

Water John

It all depends on whether those immunised can get and transmit Covid. The likelyhood is the disease will die out once enough are immunised.

Irish Stones wrote: »

News of today is that Sanofi and AstraZeneca had some issues with the production and their supply won't be available till early months 2022.

Wil you please stop posting absolute nonsense.

Deeper Blue

Irish Stones wrote: »

News of today is that Sanofi and AstraZeneca had some issues with the production and their supply won't be available till early months 2022.
Italy was expecting 202 millions doses from different suppliers, but we'll have to say goodbye to at least 81 millions doses because of these technical issues.
I think all other countries will be in the same conditions according to their quotas.
Also, our emergency team said they're sure all the population will be given the vaccine before the end of September 2021, which I wonder how they will give them all with only 1,500 centres across the country, that is about 350 a day per centre. Impossible!

Could you provide a link to this please? It's a fairly big claim to make when there's been nothing in the news about it.

Then again considering your posting history I strongly suspect you're talking out of your hole. Cop on.

[Deleted User]

Irish Stones wrote: »

News of today is that Sanofi and AstraZeneca had some issues with the production and their supply won't be available till early months 2022.
Italy was expecting 202 millions doses from different suppliers, but we'll have to say goodbye to at least 81 millions doses because of these technical issues.
I think all other countries will be in the same conditions according to their quotas.
Also, our emergency team said they're sure all the population will be given the vaccine before the end of September 2021, which I wonder how they will give them all with only 1,500 centres across the country, that is about 350 a day per centre. Impossible!

Want to check your maths there. At 350 a day, 1500 centres would cover the country in 2 weeks. To do it in 9 months, 1500 centres would need to average 12 per day.

Also, your assertion on vaccine production issues seems to be horsesh*t

VG31

El Sueño wrote: »

Then again considering your posting history I strongly suspect you're talking out of your hole. Cop on.

The same poster recently said that they expected never to be able to visit Ireland again. They could come right now, there's no travel ban.

hmmm wrote: »

Wil you please stop posting absolute nonsense.

I would like to know who you are to say that what I'm writing is nonsense. It was on the news today, and it was discussed on TV for at least 15 minutes. You're not god, you haven't the absolute truth in your hands.

El Sueño wrote: »

Could you provide a link to this please? It's a fairly big claim to make when there's been nothing in the news about it.

It was a TV program with a long interview with lots of slideshows and other evidences. We have been warned that the expected numbers of vials for the year won't be available and that our health system and emergency team have to find a quick solution to the problem.
We had just found 1.5 billion syringes (an absurd number of syringes for the needs) and now we're missing about 81 millions doses of vaccine.

Then again considering your posting history I strongly suspect you're talking out of your hole. Cop on.

Yes, you wrote the bible instead.

Cork2021

Irish Stones wrote: »

I would like to know who you are to say that what I'm writing is nonsense. It was on the news today, and it was discussed on TV for at least 15 minutes. You're not god, you haven't the absolute truth in your hands.

And have you a link to this major news??? I’ll tell you one thing If this bullshît was true we’d have all got at least a million push notifications from RTE et al!!!
So you obviously have had some serious Hallucinations today.

VG31 wrote: »

The same poster recently said that they expected never to be able to visit Ireland again. They could come right now, there's no travel ban.

Oh yes, I will have to observe a quarantine on my way back, though.
Friends of mine can't go back visit their parents abroad because they fear they might not be allowed back to this country.

Deeper Blue

Irish Stones wrote: »

It was a TV program with a long interview with lots of slideshows and other evidences. We have been warned that the expected numbers of vials for the year won't be available and that our health system and emergency team have to find a quick solution to the problem.
We had just found 1.5 billion syringes (an absurd number of syringes for the needs) and now we're missing about 81 millions doses of vaccine.

Yes, you wrote the bible instead.

Any source? Link? Video? Anything?

At the end of the day if you post nonsense sensationalist claims (such as the above or your previous claim that there wouldn't be a vaccine until 2023) you'll get called out on it.

braychelsea

https://twitter.com/jensspahn/status/1338136689219416066

German health minister slating EMA's slow approval process. Kinda disappointing how far behind other regulatory agencies they are. Understand they need to see the data but every day delay is another 3000 deaths in EU.

Cork2021 wrote: »

And have you a link to this major news??? I’ll tell you one thing If this bullshît was true we’d have all got at least a million push notifications from RTE et al!!!
So you obviously have had some serious Hallucinations today.

The interview should be available on the server of the broadcaster tomorrow, I guess, because right now only last Sunday's program is available.
It's an hour long program, with a few interviews, and one of this was telling what I wrote above.
I'll check it again tomorrow and if I find the link to the program I will provide it. It'll be in Italian, I think you're good with the language enough to understand it.