tobefrank321 wrote: » Once high risk groups are vaccinated there's no reason why normality can't return.
Water John wrote: » Hopefully a little earlier than that Micky, but that wouldn't matter in the greater scheme of things.
Gael23 wrote: » With a rational and measured response it could be by summer but I think it’s going to be September 2021 before we see pubs reopening fully and an end of social distancing
Water John wrote: » A bit of social distancing has meant no flu around. In terms of holidaying I think the ski season of 2021 will be first full opening in the northern hemisphere. Guy from Sydney writing in an agri thread said the city is almost at normal.
smurfjed wrote: » This is where it gets interesting, I hold licences from 3 countries and associated Medical’s, so let’s say country 1 approves the Chinese or Russian vaccines but these aren’t submitted for approval in the USA or Europe, then I might have issues with renewing those two medical certificates. We truthfully don’t know how this is going to work. The FAA in the USA has stated that they expect to approve Pfizer within 5 days of the FDA approval, but we don’t know if this will come with any limitations. Luckily, I’m expecting to get the Pfizer vaccine, but I’m not in the UAE.
Ferris_Bueller wrote: » Apologies if I'm coming across as ignorant on the subject, but what happened to the vaccine taskforce meeting yesterday? I was expecting a big announcement and lots of talk about it but nothing so far really. Will anything be released in the coming days or was it simply leaked in dribs and drabs earlier in the week (such as who will be getting the vaccine first, etc).
Dickie10 wrote: » surely they will have most vulnerable people vaccinated by april, then its full steam ahead. euro 2021 games in dublin , id guess there could be at least 50% capacity at stadia and all pubs and restaurants open. ireland will be dragged kicking and screaming into no restrictions by the events planned here , concerts, sports etc. we will be a huge outlier if we dont in europe, can you imagine the only place locked up with 0 deaths for weeks and weeks, none in ICU . be some laughing stock
hmmm wrote: » That depends on how high the hospitalisation rate will be in the groups who are not at risk, and how many of those at risk will end up not protected by the vaccine and what the implications will be for them. There's also the other issue of the number of people who end up with long-term illness due to long-covid. These are questions we still don't have the answers to, and until we do things won't go back to normal.
gw80 wrote: » Why would we not return to normal if the virus is not in the community and we have zero deaths, Do you expect to us to be wearing masks indefinitely for a handful of people who have issues after covid?
donegal_man wrote: » The number of people I've spoken to recently who are buying into the various anti vaccination arguments is quite concerning.
Water John wrote: » Next winter, I mean back to full normal. Maybe most populations in European countries will be vaccinated by June/July. See Gary Barlow advertised for the 3 Arena on 28 Nov 2021, chance booking it? If we were mostly vaccinated would the longest day of the year be a good, celebrating Covid defeated day and remembering those lost.
hmmm wrote: » I've no doubt there is a very active vaccine disinformation campaign being run over social media by a mixture of right-wing groups and state actors. It suits them to see the West in chaos, and if they can drag this crisis out as long as possible it's a victory for them. Trouble is they are very good at it, and with something like vaccines where there are so many medical and technical terms in use it's easy to make it sound scarier than it is. The other thing these groups are very good at is casting doubt on the legitimate politicians and institutions we would normally turn to for trusted sources of information (see anyone using the phrase "mainstream media"). This all then gets amplified by ordinary people on social media, and because they think there is a debate or genuine concerns about safety they begin to take their advice from their circle of friends and not the scientists and medical experts who they should be listening to. It's a difficult problem to combat, and I think we all have a small contribution to play in addressing misinformation when we see it.
is_that_so wrote: » In this case it's unlikely to be state actors, apart from maybe North Korea, as it's not just something that is isolated to the West. Both China and Russia have plenty to gain in the perception and take up of their own vaccines and it would be of no benefit geopolitically to start producing even more anti-vaxxers.
snotboogie wrote: » Don't follow this line of reasoning at all. Chinese and Russian vaccines are extremely unlikely to ever see a major rollout in the Western world. Chinese social media is extremely seperate from the west, anti vaccine talk is very unlikely to bleed over to their population. China have a huge amount to gain from vaccine and covid misinformation on social media.
is_that_so wrote: » They don't expect them to, but they do want to distribute elsewhere as evidence of their superiority. In that context what would either have to gain, especially in relation to vaccine misinformation?
snotboogie wrote: » Major disruption to the economy and social cohesion. It is extremely naive to believe that major state actors are not driving covid misinformation including on the vaccine.
Deleted User wrote: » Prof Sarah Gilbert was on the Andrew Marr show today, when asked the likelihood of their vaccine being available (in the UK) by the end of the year, she said there was a high chance. As others have pointed out their published results were confused by the dosing and the time between doses being inconsistent, but interesting that she still seems to believe approval is close.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPfXkrxtEPg&feature=youtu.be
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