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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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Today being Paddy Day 2020... when do you think we will have a ‘flu jab’ / pill / syrup that we can take to make us immune/ les likely to catch this 19 virus?.

Mod: The purpose of this thread is baked into the title - COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures - it's not a platform to push an anti vaccination agenda. If posters wish to discuss the perceived cons of vaccinations, or push various theories regarding 'the agenda' (whatever that is supposed to mean), open a thread elsewhere on it.

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schmoo2k

cj maxx wrote: »

I have no symptoms, can I pay for a test with my health insurance?

Van.Bosch

cj maxx wrote: »

I have no symptoms, can I pay for a test with my health insurance?

You can pay 99 yourself though

schmoo2k

Irish Stones wrote: »

The hospitals were empty already last summer, and we resumed a partial business as usual, with people moving a bit more, and we have seen what happened a few months later.
Having the hospitals empty isn't a green light to a normal life.

But the high risk folks will be vaccinated this time around, the daily infection numbers are liable to be higher next year but the hospitalisations should be way down.

Hector Savage

schmoo2k wrote: »

But the high risk folks will be vaccinated this time around, the daily infection numbers are liable to be higher next year but the hospitalisations should be way down.

They need to stop using daily case numbers as any metric, pointless at this stage.

Metrics should all be about hospitalisation rate

tom1ie

schmoo2k wrote: »

But the high risk folks will be vaccinated this time around, the daily infection numbers are liable to be higher next year but the hospitalisations should be way down.

but they wont?
what about immune compromised people?
kids (who arent allowed get the vaccine) who have low immune systems?

snotboogie

tom1ie wrote: »

but they wont?
what about immune compromised people?
kids (who arent allowed get the vaccine) who have low immune systems?

Small demographic, what percentage of the current hospitalizations are immune compromised children? Or immune comprised under 55 in general?

tom1ie

snotboogie wrote: »

Small demographic, what percentage of the current hospitalizations are immune compromised children? Or immune comprised under 55 in general?

point being 25% of the population are kids under 16.
they wont be vaccinated.
add in people who wont take it, immune compromised, pregnant women breastfeeding women, now you are up around 35-40% of the population.
we need approx 70% of the popul;ation to be infected/vaccinated to reach herd immunity.

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Irish Stones wrote: »

The hospitals were empty already last summer, and we resumed a partial business as usual, with people moving a bit more, and we have seen what happened a few months later.
Having the hospitals empty isn't a green light to a normal life.

What? Of course it is. I swear some people seem to want this to drag on longer than it should

Micky 32

AdamD wrote: »

What? Of course it is. I swear some people seem to want this to drag on longer than it should

The lockdown brigade are already filtering over here from the main thread looking for excuses to justify post vaccine restrictions.

Deeper Blue

Irish Stones wrote: »

The hospitals were empty already last summer, and we resumed a partial business as usual, with people moving a bit more, and we have seen what happened a few months later.
Having the hospitals empty isn't a green light to a normal life.

There was no vaccine in the summer so that comparison makes zero sense

tom1ie

AdamD wrote: »

What? Of course it is. I swear some people seem to want this to drag on longer than it should

even after everyone that is allowed take the vaccine, takes the vaccine, that still leaves at least 40% maybe more who wont have had the vaccine which means the virus wont be killed off.
if restrictions arent in place the virus still spreads among that 40% no?

Gael23

AdamD wrote: »

What? Of course it is. I swear some people seem to want this to drag on longer than it should

At the beginning of this there was no routine care being delivered in hospitals, only emergencies and Covid patients

Micky 32

tom1ie wrote: »

even after everyone that is allowed take the vaccine, takes the vaccine, that still leaves at least 40% maybe more who wont have had the vaccine which means the virus wont be killed off.
if restrictions arent in place the virus still spreads among that 40% no?

Well the people who can’t have it will have to be careful for a while. For the people who have it won’t be restricted. In my case i’ll certainly be back travelling again.

brisan

cj maxx wrote: »

I have no symptoms, can I pay for a test with my health insurance?

Are you absolutely sure you have no symptoms ?
Like 100% certain ?

tom1ie

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well the people who can’t have it will have to be careful for a while. For the people who have it won’t be restricted. In my case i’ll certainly be back travelling again.

so if you live in a house with someone who cant have the vaccine but you take the vaccine, and you know that covid is still spreading in the wild, you wont take precautions or adhear to restrictions?

Micky 32

tom1ie wrote: »

so if you live in a house with someone who cant have the vaccine but you take the vaccine, and you know that covid is still spreading in the wild, you wont take precautions or adhear to restrictions?

Firstly i don’t live in a house with someone that can’t have it, or do i know anyone that can’t have it. So no i won’t be adhering to any restrictions. Like i said i’ll be travelling again once inoculated. As the Tanaiste pointed out the pandemic will be over in 2021.

ZX7R

tom1ie wrote: »

even after everyone that is allowed take the vaccine, takes the vaccine, that still leaves at least 40% maybe more who wont have had the vaccine which means the virus wont be killed off.
if restrictions arent in place the virus still spreads among that 40% no?

No where in the eu commission public health in relation to the vaccination process and program does it say or intend to kill off virus.
There aiming for a 40 percent uptake and this appears to be sufficient in the process of eased restrictions.
Covid is here and here to stay whether we like it or not

Irish Stones

ZX7R wrote: »

Covid is here and here to stay whether we like it or not

Like all viruses and coronaviruses we have seen in the past centuries. They are still around us.

Hmmzis

Happy Friday everyone:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.09.20245175v1.full.pdf+html

The RBD mutants can go $&*% themselves (Fig 1d).

The T cell data is worth having a look at, it's among the most comprehensive studies I've seen so far on vaccine induced T cells.

To my eye the 30ug looks almost unnecessary at this point in time, the 10ug and 20ug doses don't look any different at the last two follow up points to the 30ug dose.

Edit: btw. this is the Pfizer/BNT vaccine.

stephenjmcd

Hmmzis wrote: »

Happy Friday everyone:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.09.20245175v1.full.pdf+html

The RBD mutants can go $&*% themselves (Fig 1d).

The T cell data is worth having a look at, it's among the most comprehensive studies I've seen so far on vaccine induced T cells.

To my eye the 30ug looks almost unnecessary at this point in time, the 10ug and 20ug doses don't look any different at the last two follow up points to the 30ug dose.

Edit: btw. this is the Pfizer/BNT vaccine.

Had a quick look through the New England journal yesterday, will take a look at this later tonight, but just on the NEJ it was very impressive.

Its an exceptional set of data that stands up to scrutiny. A really superb piece of science

Tom Mann Centuria

My 85 year old Uncle got the Pfizer jab in the UK today, and my aunt did too. No reactions in the short term, so hopefully they'll stay well.

tobefrank321

Has Oxford/AZ been authorised anywhere?

It feels like they are in no mans land at the moment. Talk of combining it with the Russian one but that would mean going back to the start of trials surely.

stephenjmcd

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Has Oxford/AZ been authorised anywhere?

It feels like they are in no mans land at the moment. Talk of combining it with the Russian one but that would mean going back to the start of trials surely.

Nope not yet. They haven't submitted final phase 3 data. MHRA have started getting data recently. EMA have a rolling review. Everything recently was preliminary data so they still had a way to go there yet.

That would be another arm of the trials, separate from what they would submit

is_that_so

Irish Stones wrote: »

The hospitals were empty already last summer, and we resumed a partial business as usual, with people moving a bit more, and we have seen what happened a few months later.
Having the hospitals empty isn't a green light to a normal life.

Having them empty of COVID patients is, for the hospital system. That's the first step in the process. As others have said, and depending where you are, we should see effects well before the end of Spring.

eigrod

A fool’s guide which I found interesting

https://twitter.com/scientistswanda/status/1335988328362090500?s=21

is_that_so

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Has Oxford/AZ been authorised anywhere?

It feels like they are in no mans land at the moment. Talk of combining it with the Russian one but that would mean going back to the start of trials surely.

There's already a UK proposal to do that with the Pfizer one.

tom1ie

Micky 32 wrote: »

Firstly i don’t live in a house with someone that can’t have it, or do i know anyone that can’t have it. So no i won’t be adhering to any restrictions. Like i said i’ll be travelling again once inoculated. As the Tanaiste pointed out the pandemic will be over in 2021.

So screw everyone else that can’t take the vaccine basically including people that could take will take the vaccine but live in fear of passing it on to a family member that is immuno Compromised? Is that it yeah?

Clonmel1000

tom1ie wrote: »

So screw everyone else that can’t take the vaccine basically including people that could take will take the vaccine but live in fear of passing it on to a family member that is immuno Compromised? Is that it yeah?

What’s your alternative? Another year like 2020? No thanks.

is_that_so

tom1ie wrote: »

So screw everyone else that can’t take the vaccine basically including people that could take will take the vaccine but live in fear of passing it on to a family member that is immuno Compromised? Is that it yeah?

These things will be worked out in due course. The list is out and they'll work their way though it. There may be subsequent strategies to deal with that scenario, for example by vaccinating those around them instead. When enough people get vaccinated, that risk will be all but gone.

tobefrank321

eigrod wrote: »

A fool’s guide which I found interesting

https://twitter.com/scientistswanda/status/1335988328362090500?s=21

Well I'll be taking it. And I'm already looking forward to the superhuman abilities that come from it.