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Lidl, Clonsilla

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There is a Public Meeting tomorrow night (28th February), in the Clonsilla Inn about the proposed Lidl development in Clonsilla (near Castlefield / Mount Symon / Portersgate)

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Phil.x

Pat Dunne wrote: »

The only SDZ in Dublin 15 is Hansfield.

That's what i was talking about, station road.

Pat Dunne

Phil.x wrote: »

It's a Strategic Development Zone, so as far as I know it's all rammed through and any objections made by the public or councillors, (TD's??) cannot and will not be entertained at all. So in other words brown envelopes AFAIC.

The only SDZ in Dublin 15 is Hansfield.

beauf

Chrisam wrote: »

Y....The Fingal planners were promoting a cycle & pedestrian bridge, across the canal, to Clonsilla village, til it was pointed out how unsafe Clonsilla Road is for cyclists! No planning there, to be sure!...

Something similar with one of the proposals for the bridge at Coolmine, it was said it wasn't an option because it would be too narrow for cycle lanes. Even though the roads feeding it, don't have cycle lanes.

No vision at all.

The worst part is these aren't isolated cases, it pretty much how most things are done all the time.

https://irishcycle.com/2020/12/10/limericks-only-protected-cycle-lane-so-far-built-with-e10m-july-stimulus-funding-removed-already/

Chrisam

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Is there no option to challenge the answers they give? Is it just ask a question, get an answer, and that's it? Genuine question btw, I'm not being smart.

Yes, unfortunately the councillors get bypassed if the development is a SHZ. I wouldn't have thought that the Lidl site met that category though?

Interestingly, re cycle lanes on the Clonsilla Rd (at that location), I attended a Kellystown webinar last month - Kellystown being the huge greenfield site, being developed south of Clonsilla, on the other bank of the canal. The Fingal planners were promoting a cycle & pedestrian bridge, across the canal, to Clonsilla village, til it was pointed out how unsafe Clonsilla Road is for cyclists! No planning there, to be sure!

Brock Turnpike

Phil.x wrote: »

It's a Strategic Development Zone, so as far as I know it's all rammed through and any objections made by the public or councillors, (TD's??) cannot and will not be entertained at all. So in other words brown envelopes AFAIC.

Yes, seems to me as long as developers make a contribution to the local council then they can do what they want.

beauf

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Is there no option to challenge the answers they give? Is it just ask a question, get an answer, and that's it? Genuine question btw, I'm not being smart.

They just do their own thing regardless of what is said.

Phil.x

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Is there no option to challenge the answers they give? Is it just ask a question, get an answer, and that's it? Genuine question btw, I'm not being smart.

It's a Strategic Development Zone, so as far as I know it's all rammed through and any objections made by the public or councillors, (TD's??) cannot and will not be entertained at all. So in other words brown envelopes AFAIC.

Brock Turnpike

Phil.x wrote: »

Same as the homes built on station road heading to hansfield station, one house is literally 30inches from the footpath.

I asked why no cyclelane to the station and how was this allowed to happen when they had a green field to plan from? Fingal and their bad planners said the road is 30kmph so not needed and some other such trash.

Is there no option to challenge the answers they give? Is it just ask a question, get an answer, and that's it? Genuine question btw, I'm not being smart.

Phil.x

beauf wrote: »

They do this everywhere. Build right up to the edge of roads even where they don't have to. Create future bottlenecks.

When they come back later to build a bus lane or cycle lane or extra car lane or path whatever they have no room.

Anytime you mention this they blather on about density and don't need roads or paths.

Same as the homes built on station road heading to hansfield station, one house is literally 30inches from the footpath.

I asked why no cyclelane to the station and how was this allowed to happen when they had a green field to plan from? Fingal and their bad planners said the road is 30kmph so not needed and some other such trash.

ongarboy

Polar101 wrote: »

Can't say I noticed the (upcoming?) coffee shop.

That's part of the separate triple unit going up alongside the Link Road. Didn't look ready for occupation when I passed at the weekend so I'd say it'll be new year.

Good to hear nice feedback about the Lidl layout. Must try it out in the next few days

Polar101

Went there already, very spacious - car park is on ground floor and the shop is on 1st floor basically. Wasn't too busy, even though a lot of people were buying large boxes of special offers. 8 (I think) tills, and they had more than 2 open, which I didn't think was allowed in Lidl.

Staff were handing out vouchers (the same leaflet they sent to local households).

Looks like there's going to be a barber shop downstairs as well.

Can't say I noticed the (upcoming?) coffee shop.

beauf

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

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Still think the store is too close to both the Clonsilla Road and Link Road, site is plenty big enough so that planners stipulated it was pushed at least 5 meters further back

They do this everywhere. Build right up to the edge of roads even where they don't have to. Create future bottlenecks.

When they come back later to build a bus lane or cycle lane or extra car lane or path whatever they have no room.

Anytime you mention this they blather on about density and don't need roads or paths.

Bigmac1euro

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Yeah but you got a massive Lidl right on your doorstep.

Yeah pretty happy about this to be honest. With the new Aldi open as well in the centre we’re spoiled for choice.

Brock Turnpike

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

I live in the immediate area and didn’t get a voucher.

Yeah but you got a massive Lidl right on your doorstep.

Bigmac1euro

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

Got some €10 of €50 spend vouchers in the door along with some other advertising for new store. First voucher not valid until 11-Jan but good to have all the same, didn't think Lidl did vouchers.

Still think the store is too close to both the Clonsilla Road and Link Road, site is plenty big enough so that planners stipulated it was pushed at least 5 meters further back

I live in the immediate area and didn’t get a voucher.

Dr_Colossus

djmj wrote: »

Lidl will be open from 10 December 8:00

Got some €10 of €50 spend vouchers in the door along with some other advertising for new store. First voucher not valid until 11-Jan but good to have all the same, didn't think Lidl did vouchers.

Still think the store is too close to both the Clonsilla Road and Link Road, site is plenty big enough so that planners stipulated it was pushed at least 5 meters further back

djmj

Lidl will be open from 10 December 8:00

BlazingSaddler

Lidl opening 10th December

Phil.x

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Not a coffee fan so?

How very dare you!! I love my Nescafe and kenco.

Brock Turnpike

Phil.x wrote: »

I'd go if it was a Starbucks.

Not a coffee fan so?

BlazingSaddler

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

It's crying out for a good coffee shop. Not a chain.

In an ideal world a small local independent would be perfect but failing this a chain is better than nothing

Phil.x

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

It's crying out for a good coffee shop. Not a chain.

I'd go if it was a Starbucks.

Brock Turnpike

BlazingSaddler wrote: »

This is actually great news. Clonsilla is crying out for a coffee shop

It's crying out for a good coffee shop. Not a chain.

Fiddle Castro

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

That's a terrible decision unfortunately

Agreed, there are already 4 Insomnia Coffee shops in D15 AFAIK and IMO the coffee is awful, a bit of variety would be great. Coffee Works in Blanch village is the only local place with decent coffee.

BlazingSaddler

Daeltaja wrote: »

Insomnia confirmed as the coffee shop taking the big unit not attached to the main building.

This is actually great news. Clonsilla is crying out for a coffee shop

Brock Turnpike

Daeltaja wrote: »

Insomnia confirmed as the coffee shop taking the big unit not attached to the main building.

That's a terrible decision unfortunately

Daeltaja

Insomnia confirmed as the coffee shop taking the big unit not attached to the main building.

daymobrew

Fiddle Castro wrote: »

There are covered bike racks opposite Lidl in West End, just around the corner from ATM at Argos.

I know them.
I hate that style of bike rack as it's hard to lock both wheels to them. If you put a wheel in the slot it could get bent. And they are too close together so your bike can get scratched (imagine car park spaces being so close that the body work gets scratched!!).

Businesses install them because they are cheap (and tick a box).

ongarboy

john why wrote: »

Will it be open before Christmas?

I definitely read December being listed as the opening target when they advertised for staff online so I'd say they'll want to open then to capture the Christmas business.

Are the apartments part of a later phase as apart from the small retail units also being built, I don't see anything that looks like residential units being constructed?

Fiddle Castro

daymobrew wrote: »

It's an improvement on the two in Blakestown and zero at West End Retail Park. I lock my bike to the end of the trolley racks.

There are covered bike racks opposite Lidl in West End, just around the corner from ATM at Argos.