The Lost Sheep wrote: » Except interest isnt declining. You have shown nothing to back that up. You keep saying there would be so much interest in these regional sides in Dublin Youre completely mad if you think you can compare the provincial rugby teams to these supposed gaa sides. There has been provincial rugby teams playing for 130 years. There has been an interprovincial rugby competition ran as a distinct competition since the 1940s. That cant be compared to this. Majority of counties will never contest or very rarely will contest provincial finals or get to latter stages of the all ireland. Take someone like Leitrim. Dublin being split makes zero positive impact on them and actually would make it harder for them. They have played maybe once or twice in the history of the championship. They wont be playing each other in the league any time soon. They wont be able to compete against a split side either. They wont suddenly get more sponsorship money or anything else. You are mad if you think all irelands should be played outside of croke Park. Its the home of the sport. Its the national stadium. Move occasional replays outside if its 2 non leinster counties like galway/mayo v kerry in Limerick but nothing else. Every county doesnt have the same chance of success entering the all ireland each year. No sport is like that. Splitting Dublin does nothing for most counties as they still will lose to these Dublin sides and there chances of reaching latter stages is harder with a second dublin side involved. If we are to talk about level playing field then you would need to split multiple other counties as well Since the foundation of the GAA when has Dublin not been the biggest county in the country? There will always be counties with much bigger populations. Its a ridiculous point to try and change.
Fann Linn wrote: » Dublin haven't been beaten in Castlebar since 2007.
dunnerc wrote: » What is confusing you about this ? If the rest of the Leinster counties want Dublin to play there home games in Parnell park they can vote for this and make it happen. :rolleyes:
dunnerc wrote: » Yes you have had your agenda for years , that is undisputed
gaffer91 wrote: » What votes were taken on where to host the All-Ireland semi-final and final? Dublin play at home for finals. This isn't a fair situation for everyone else. Pretty easy to understand. No agenda, I just want what is best for everyone. Split Dublin and we save the All-Ireland competition so it helps all counties, including Dublin. Don't split Dublin and the All-Ireland dies so it harms all counties, including Dublin.
gaffer91 wrote: » When did they play there in the championship? Home advantage is an advantage. Not fair for Dublin to have home advantage for all consequential games. So they should be taken out of Croke Park.
gaffer91 wrote: » Interest is declining and evidence has been provided countless times. Take average attendances as a quick barometer. Down even pre-covid. The point re rugby sides is that there was no support in the 1990s which then rocketed. Same can happen with Dublin subdivisonal sides. Alternative is that there is no support for any side as interest continues to wane as I have shown. Splitting Dublin does help Leitrim- it saves the inter-county competition from being destroyed. They still have a competition to compete it vs none if Dublin are not split, so it helps them. Croke Park is HQ but it's also Dublin's home stadium so semi-finals and finals shouldn't be held there if they are playing. They can be held there if they are not. Not fair for one team to have endless home advantage when they already have multiple other opportunities. Cork had a bigger population when the GAA was founded. Regardless, this gap has accelerated and is a huge statistical outlier and is now combined with other advantages (e.g funding) so they need to be split to mitigate this. To reiterate- splitting Dublin helps all counties, including Dublin.
gaffer91 wrote: » What votes were taken on where to host the All-Ireland semi-final and final? Dublin play at home for finals. This isn't a fair situation for everyone else. Pretty easy to understand. No agenda, I just want what is best for everyone.Split Dublin and we save the All-Ireland competition so it helps all counties, including Dublin. Don't split Dublin and the All-Ireland dies so it harms all counties, including Dublin.
ooter wrote: » Colm o Rourke used to bang that drum about giving more Dublin lads a chance of playing for their county, as if Colm is genuinely concerned for lads not getting on the Dublin panel. :rolleyes:
dunnerc wrote: » To reiterate -splitting Dublin only helps the top few countys and it most definately wont help Dublin
Sunny Disposition wrote: » The big difference between the Kilkenny and Dublin dominance is that Kilkenny didn’t have the numbers to keep it going indefinitely. Plus while they could blow teams away they’d get a test virtually every year. With Dublin’s population it’s far more likely that it will continue indefinitely
EICVD wrote: » It’s worse this thread is getting with sh1te like this
dobman88 wrote: » I agree completely and that's why they are played in Croke Park.
tobefrank321 wrote: » A lot of people are coming to the conclusion inter county has had its day. There has to be more to it for counties like Tipp and Cavan than a day out in Croker, or about 28 other counties. About 26 counties are never going to challenge for Sam due to small population, focus on hurling, etc. In the last 20 years the teams who could challenge has dwindled from maybe 8 serious contenders to 1 or 2, although in reality only 1. Any objective analysis would tell you this competition is dead. And the discussion must now move to what replaces it. And replacing it doesn't mean moving around the chairs on the Titanic. The disparities we see today will only increase in future with increased urbanisation. Time to consider professionalism. 8-10 professional teams much like with the rugby provinces would maintain a strong interest. And if you played a league competition of about 20 games a season, you'd have more than enough gate, TV and sponsorship revenue to pay for it. Amateur intercounty has had its day, its headed down a cul de sac. Time to get rid.
Panrich wrote: » I wonder would that get support. You'd probably be looking at a franchise type system like the NFL and then perhaps have a draft system again like the NFL and AFL for the best minor players each year.
Enquiring wrote: » Let's all remember that a huge list of counties have won provincial titles since the 90's. Armagh Cavan Clare Cork Derry Donegal Down Dublin Galway Kerry Kildare Laois Leitrim Louth Mayo Meath Monaghan Offaly Roscommon Sligo Tipperary Tyrone Westmeath That's 22/23 counties. Gaelic football is very much alive. We can see proof of that again this year with Tipperary and Cavan winning provincial titles. Talk of counties not able to compete when playing against other amateur counties is nonsense. It's really encouraging to hear others finally coming round to the reality that Dublin must be split. For years people who expressed this view were just labelled as bitter, abuse was thrown their way and of course, a huge amount of deflection. That still happens of course but people now see through that. There's genuine anger that this was allowed to happen. One county was given a multi million euro grant essentially. Given free rein to create a player production system that has benefitted all areas of Dublin GAA. It has to come to an end. Yes, other changes also need to be made but this is the first step in the process.
kilns wrote: » Does splitting Dublin bring the likes of Leitrim, Longford or Louth any closer to winning an All Ireland, not a chance. It only benefits the likes of Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone. The gap between these counties and the weaker one remains, you could just see it when Mayo hammer Leitrim routinely. Splitting Dublin and thinking this is the solution is the most short sighted thing and it's typically Irish in many ways.
Enquiring wrote: » Yes, other changes also need to be made but this is the first step in the process.
Enquiring wrote: » Read to the end of my quote: Splitting Dublin is the first step. We can't let a team compete under professional structures while everyone else is competing within amateur structures. Full stop. Then of course we need other changes. Like the mad idea that instead of over funding the county with by far the largest population, you fund other counties that really need it. You put structures in place in all counties, give them funding for coaching and so on. Other ideas like pooling sponsorship etc can be discussed but splitting Dublin is the first major hurdle in the process.
kilns wrote: » What are these professional structures Dublin enjoy over it's competitors like Kerry and Tyrone? There is this myth that funding directly benefits the elite teams, the funding provided is essential and goes to the average child in the county whom 99% will never see a county team but people will still bang on about funding, yes other counties deserve funding too but can they be trusted to use it and have the right structure in place As for pooling sponsorship, again not a Dublin problem. The biggest objection to that would come from the South West
kilns wrote: » As for pooling sponsorship, again not a Dublin problem. The biggest objection to that would come from the South West
ooter wrote: » Kerry group have been pumping the money in to Kerry for years now and when they win all Ireland's it's fine, not a mention of revenue pooling. Some craic.
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