Bambi wrote: » I do like how everyone is pretending that Kerrys set up is not utterly professional
Cavan_King wrote: » How is Kerry’s “set up... professional”? The Kerry chairman is an elected position and the current chairman is an engineer who has his own construction firm. He is not a full time person dedicated to the role like John Costello.
Cavan_King wrote: » I agree it’s a good thing Dublin have a full time staff member running the county board but why shouldn’t all counties have it? You say “”’more counties should/could look to do it”. Are you aware of how many counties are counting their coffers and struggling financially? For example, Mickey Graham in Cavan wanted a panel of 40 plus players. It was cut back at the start of this year to just my over 30 because of the cost per player. And that was at the start of this year. Post Covid, Cavan county board are now saying there are some sponsors that they won’t be able to approach re promised funding as it’s unfair given how their businesses have been hit this year. The GAA are handing out over ten million in bailouts to different counties each year. Why not employ 32 professionals at a cost of 100k each, 3.2 million, to run the county boards? Chances are they’d save on the bailouts along the line. Dublin supporters seem to be very defensive when debated about this but people are not always being critical. The Dublin structure has worked so my criticism is of the GAA - why aren’t they rolling it out in all counties?
Deleted User wrote: » As an aside, will Ireland ever win the world cup?
Jaden wrote: » Yes, in short. 7-10 years after the DCB take over the IRFU. We'll need to sell U2 to pay for it, but worth it in the end.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » To be fair the likes of Kerry and Mayo are being well looked after. They even get millions from fundraisers in the states. Plenty of sponsorships. Sadly not getting the rewards they should but again no fear of pennies running out in either at minute
The Lost Sheep wrote: » Cork have had a full time official in Frank Murphy and successor for 30 years. They may be struggling now but how many counties in good times didnt even look to get full time staff in place? Dublin did most of the work themselves so it isnt near as simple as to say the GAA can replicate it elsewhere
Cavan_King wrote: » Dublin had the funding to do the work though. You may say all the money is being spent on games development but because Dublin have that money for games development, it means they don't need to siphon it from other areas like other counties do. I'm not for splitting up Dublin or any of the other items put forward. Dublin were given money and they used it to create a great advantage, on top of other advantages they have - their location, their players would rarely move to other counties, their population etc. Now I think the GAA need to at least try to replicate it in other counties. I believe they've spent 15 to 16 million bailing out different county boards. Why not put 32 commercial individuals in place, one for each county, to start overseeing finance, advertising, promotion etc. At a cost of even 100k each, that's 3.2 million and is cheaper than what they are spending bailing counties out. There's no point waiting for mismanagement and counties to be millions in debt before stepping in like is currently done. The fact is a county setup is now a multi million pound business and people with proper business acumen need to be in charge. Not some lad that got elected because he's a great GAA stalwart in the area.
Akesh wrote: » It's not just about money. It's never been just about money but Dublin receiving more funding is down to the numbers playing GAA in the county. This isn't rocket science. Dublin have gotten their act together when really this should have happened decades earlier. Dublin is a county of 1.4M, Cavan has 76k in the whole county. Let's stop patting Dublin on the back for something they should have taken advantage of years before. It's a numbers game and only in the last 15 years have Dublin become in anyway competent considering the major advantage they always had. Gaelic football is dead and people just need to accept it. It's no shock to anyone except for Dublin GAA, their fans and the GAA themselves that attendances have been in decline for over a decade. Syl Merrins highlighted a lot of the issues back in 2018 and nothing was done thanks to the GAA being centralised in Dublin and John Costello and Croke Park insisting that there is nothing wrong with the game and other counties simply 'need to get their act together'. The blaming of Kildare, Meath etc. is absolutely nonsense. All of a sudden John Costello, Jim Gavin etc. are messiahs for beating Peamount United with Bayern Munich. Give me a break. The delusion in this thread is unbelievable.
dunnerc wrote: » Your right Gaelic football is dead , its not Kildare or Meaths fault Totally Dublins , John Costelloes . Jim Gavins and Croke Parks fault Take a break now , you deserve it .
gaffer91 wrote: » It's not Dublin's or Jim Gavin's fault either. The fault lies with the GAA as an organisation for allowing this crazy situation to develop. No team would refuse a legal leg-up on others. When the GAA, AIG and other sponsors offer Dublin bags of cash, literally tens of millions more than other counties, of course Dublin will say yes. Or when the semi-final and finals are offered to be played in your home ground year after year, of course a team will not refuse.
Bambi wrote: » Biggest sponsor in the GAA by far is Kerry group, have been sponsoring Kerry since the 90s and will continue to do so as long as they exist, but we were saying something about bags of cash I believe?https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-30947162.html#:~:text=One%20can%20safely%20venture%20that,up%20jersey%20sponsorship%20for%20business.
gaffer91 wrote: » Dublin get much more from their partners. And this is before we even start on the money from the Irish sports council and from the GAA which has been widely shared many times. But I agree that all sponsorship should be centrally pooled and shared more equally/proportionately between all counties. But it's not just one advantage in isolation. For instance, Dublin's population advantage was always ridiculous but that was only really grounds for a two way split. If Dublin's only advantage was playing all their games in Croke park, then we could just take them out of there. If Dublin had a normal population, played away occasionally but had received only two or three years of excess funding from AIG and the GAA then we could equalise things and leave it at that. But instead we have a situation where Dublin have a crazy population advantage AND have been massively overfunded by the GAA and their sponsors for over 15 years AND play their finals and semi-finals at their home stadium. This isn't even an exhaustive list of the unfair advantages they have on other counties. Ten years ago, a two way split and a funding equalisation would maybe have been enough. But that horse has bolted now and we've had a decade of ever building advantage. So they need to be split into four (and possibly more) teams to try and level the playing field, save the inter-county game and help all counties.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » What exactly is a normal population by the way?
The Lost Sheep wrote: » You cant just pool all sponsorship from every inter county team as that disadvantages many counties and artificially boosts many other counties. By all means help smaller counties with some pooling of sponsorships but it cant be all sponsorship
The Lost Sheep wrote: » Talking about splits to 4 or more teams benefits very few. Completely hampers gaelic in Dublin. One of the major benefits/successes is identity within the GAA. Artifically creating teams that have no history is not good for anyone.
ArielAtom wrote: » So having an large sponsorship pot it the reason?
gaffer91 wrote: » It's open to interpretation. The mean is obviously the mean but two, or maybe even three standard deviations away from that could be arguably acceptable. Dublin are at over four and almost five standard deviations away from average. You can't say that about any other county. So they are very far from normal
There's nothing artificial about it. Better that all counties benefit than just a chosen few. And yes, it should be 100%
It benefits all counties. Splitting Dublin literally helps every single county, including Dublin.
Not splitting Dublin will result in the death of the inter-county game. Splitting them into at least four is the only hope of saving it. And it even helps Dublin by letting more of their excellent club players play at the highest level, just not concentrated in a single team. And of course Dublin players will also benefit from the inter-county game not dying a death.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » You cant have every team sorted by population like that. Name any sport that does that? .
The Lost Sheep wrote: » We dont do it in international sport and you can have andorra, san marino taking on france, germany in international soccer.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » Yes there is. Pooling all sponsorships artificially boosts some teams income. Do division 4 teams get near what division 1 teams will get in sponsorship. No they dont. .
The Lost Sheep wrote: » No it doesnt. Dublin being split will have zero impact on Wicklow, Louth, Clare, Waterford, Leitrim, Antrim, Carlow, Fermanagh and many others.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » You keep saying the inter county game will die. It wont.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » There would be no identity, affiliation with these sides. There would just be artificial teams with no home venues, no history. The GAA is all about identity, heritage and history. Doing this doesnt tie in with any of that.
ArielAtom wrote: » The fact that some county boards have been put under investigation due to their spending would suggest that some of them need help. The biggest problem with that is them firstly recognising and then accepting that help. Pride can be a terrible thing.
gaffer91 wrote: » It won't be fully sorted by population. There will still be some leeway between counties, but not a single glaring outlier in a sport where transfers are banned.
Again, pre- financial doping I was happy for a two way split, like the GAA suggested in the early 2000s, but now it will unfortunately be more.
A fairer analogy would be a competition where Manchester United are put in League 2, play all their games at home, and then get annoyed when people claim it is unfair.
It doesn't matter who raises the money. It's an amateur community and sporting organisation. Everyone should reap the benefits, not just a handful of counties. Not pooling sponsorships artificially boosts some team's incomes (e.g Dublin's) Splitting Dublin helps all those counties by ensuring the survival of the competition.
There will still be identity as club players will be playing for Dublin subdivisions.
Not splitting Dublin will result in the death of identity, heritage and history of every county (including Dublin) as the game dies at inter-county level, so if you care about those things you should be 100% behind a split.
beggars_bush wrote: » Most counties have debts due to financing structural development. Wheras Dublin have spent feck all on their ground or on training facilities Choosing instead to piggyback on the stadium funded by all other counties and the tax payer and training facilities funded by the tax payer - 3rd level colleges.
gaffer91 wrote: » It's not Dublin's or Jim Gavin's fault either. The fault lies with the GAA as an organisation for allowing this crazy situation to develop. No team would refuse a legal leg-up on others. When the GAA, AIG and other sponsors offer Dublin bags of cash, literally tens of millions more than other counties, of course Dublin will say yes. Or when the semi-final and finals are offered to be played in your home ground year after year, of course a team will not refuse. We know Dublin are unfairly advantaged because of their population, funding, home pitch advantage and other things. But it's on the GAA to deal with this issue by splitting Dublin (not giving them ever more funding) not anyone else.
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