hmmm wrote: » The details are not correct. The application to the EU & FDA is also for the equivalent of a conditional emergency authorisation, it's not for general release. There was a lady interviewed on US TV, I think she was an ex-FDA commissioner, explaining the general difference between the UK & MHRA processes. The MHRA get the data from the companies, along with the company model interpreting the result, and audits the processes used to generate the model. The FDA gets the data, and regenerates the models using its own processes. I'm not qualified to say which is better, but the latter approach sounds much more time-consuming. I don't know how the EMA does it. Either way it can be seen as a positive as different regulators take different approaches to reviewing the data, and it will be interesting to see if they come to the same result.
titan18 wrote: » If anyone wants to be prioritised, eat and drink a feckload over Christmas and get that bmi up
Gael23 wrote: » Those conditions don’t change your group though do they?
odyssey06 wrote: » I did find it surprising that adults 65-69 are ranked higher than people in this list.
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » BMI over 40 is considered to be a medical condition at high risk of the disease.
noserider wrote: » First person vaccinated in N Ireland this morning at 6:30 am.
Gael23 wrote: » I have Crohn’s disease which I think is not there at all
Indestructable wrote: » Does anybody know how the UK are tracking who has received the vaccine? Is it linked to their PPS equivalent or a register or something else?
Irish Stones wrote: » Yesterday news was that the first European person to take the vaccine were a 42-yo Chinese with Italian citizenship and his wife who got the Sinovac vaccine back in August, and 4 months later they claim they are still fine.
Sconsey wrote: » I really had high hopes for the government on the vaccine rollout. But the more I look at that list the more my expectations fade. Apart from the quetionable sequence of some of the groups, and the omissions of other groups altogether the 'Key Workers' one is really concerning. They have published the list without defining the key workers, stupid, stupid, stupid. Can you imagine the lobbying, shouting, horse-trading that is now going to kick off as every interest group in the country tries to claim key worker status. I think it is going to be a sh1t-show, really dissapointed.
Antigen testing is changing the war against Covid-19. In Europe and the US, it is an increasingly popular strategy, now accounting for 30% of all testing in Spain when it was barely part of the equation until September.
Nijmegen wrote: » There's no universe in which the rollout of a vaccine isn't going to involve horse trading, lobbying and shouting whether they announce a comprehensive list or not. What I'd be interested to see is the numbers of people in the more general groups and if they'll have some form of a lottery for people in the broader categories.
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » What meds are you on? Dont tell me but check yourself. Sometimes crohns sufferers are on meds that have an immunosuppression effect which is on the list.
is_that_so wrote: » I believe key workers include meat plants and other production facilities. These have been mentioned as part of the plan but are not explicitly included.
Sconsey wrote: » That's one of the things that worries me, nothing specifically included or excluded, which will lead to a mess....will the transport workers be included? their union is probably working on it right now...will council workers be included? their reps are probably planning arguments to be included...etc. etc. You could make an argument that we are all key workers. They haven't even shown the criteria for key worker status, that will be determined by who shouts loudest. Why they could not just take the advice of the WHO and model based on their advice I will never know.
Deleted User wrote: » Category 6 key workers specifically calls out "Providing services essential to the vaccination programme". 10 inclusde "orkers in the food supply system, public and commercial transport and other vital services". In my view people in category 10 will be broadly similar to those groups permitted to travel for work in Lockdown 1
This is the provisional order in which people in Ireland will be vaccinated against COVID-19. 1 People aged 65 years and older who are residents of long-term care facilities (likely to include all staff and residents on site) 2 Frontline healthcare workers 3 People aged 70 and older 4 Other healthcare workers not in direct patient contact 5 People aged 65-69 6 Key workers 7 People aged 18-64 with certain medical conditions 8 Residents of long-term care facilities aged 18-64 9 People aged 18-64 living or working in crowded settings 10 Key workers in essential jobs who cannot avoid a high risk of exposure 11 People working in education sector 12 People aged 55-64 13 Other workers in occupations important to the functioning of society 14 Other people aged 18-54 15 People aged under 18 and pregnant women
hmmm wrote: » Hopefully by the time we get down to those later groups we'll be "swimming in vaccine" as funnydoggy put it on here. The supplies are limited now, but manufacturing should ramp up quickly. We could do with Astra Zeneca and/or J&J producing good results because they should have lots pre-manufactured, and we've Novavax, Sanofi and Curevac not too far away.
Supercell wrote: » Interesting order in the vaccination list - https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/ One could argue 13 includes all taxpayers for example, seems overly complicated, have to say I think the UK approach is more simple and dare i say it, sensible?
is_that_so wrote: » El Pais article , in English and with graphics, making the case for the use of antigen tests.
Martina1991 wrote: » The pilot program of using antigen testing in Liverpool had very poor results. These antigen tests will miss a large proportion of cases.https://twitter.com/bmj_latest/status/1335646455894257667?s=20
lawrencesummers wrote: » Today starts the biggest medical trial in world history. In what will be billed as a political success story in photocalls by politicians all over there is little to no consideration given to the possible (Yes possible, hopefully there are none) issues from this Vaccine. It’s remarkable that less than 12 months on from the ‘official’ discovery of the virus on these shores scientists have discovered, and pharmaceutical companies have produced in huge quantities the vaccine. Hats off to you. While many are happy to cling to the headlines from the manufacturers of 90+ effectiveness there are large gaps in the data regarding testing. The regulators have approved this (correctly) under emergency status or outside of their typical process because no safety data exists outside of a maximin of 6 months from use. We don’t know a number of things about this vaccine, and the information on these things will only come out during the next while as they have not been covered in the trialsIs it safe for pregnant women, or those trying to get pregnant? Is it safe for children? Is there any other medicine that it cannot be taken with? Do any existing medical conditions mean it cannot be taken? How long does the vaccine provide immunity for.
hmmm wrote: » Some US news. Long story short, Pfizer didn't accept money as part of "Operation Warp Speed" to avoid any hint of political interference (wise move). The US as a consequence only bought 100 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine (for 50 million people). Pfizer pops up with 95% effectiveness and the US panics and tries to buy more. Pfizer tell them that they can't have more until June/July 2021 as they have agreeements signed with other countries. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/07/pfizer-vaccine-doses-trump/ Trump as a consequence is planning on signing an executive order that would force US companies to prioritise vaccinating Americans before other countries. There's a lot of speculation as to how far this will go - is it just a fig leaf, or would he actually try and seize supplies. Pfizer quite wisely set up vaccine manufacturing in Belgium as well as the US - but what happens if they are told this vaccine has to be flown back to the US, breaking the contracts it has with other countries? I'd be quite happy myself for the Belgians to park their tanks (if they have tanks) on the runway to seize this supply on behalf of the EU.
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