drunkmonkey wrote: » Luke & Pat on the radio, I didn't realize they don't know if this vaccine actually stops the spread they just know it reduces severe symptoms.
yosemitesam1 wrote: » If you're a salesman, do you focus on the strengths or potential limitations of your product?
drunkmonkey wrote: » I assumed it would stop the spread. It may still do, Disappointing if it doesn't as it won't be going away any time soon. It would be a disaster to have it continuing to spread which could justify continued lockdowns. I'm optimistic it will reduce the spread significantly if people stop becoming symptomatic. We'll know by the end of January.
Micky 32 wrote: » This is the beginning of the end for the virus once the population get vaccinated. It will gradually disappear into the sunset hopefully along with a cohort of doomongering posters.
Sky King wrote: » You didn't understand my post. Let me explain again by way of hypothetical scenario: Theres (say) 50,000 a week coming into the country. The govt rollout infrastructure is maxed out at 25,000 a week being administered through their various inefficiencies. This leaves the balance just sitting there in fridges. Should we: A: Leave it sitting there to appease people such as yourself who are apparently afraid of a Randian dystopia. B: Sell it, knowing that it will get into the population faster ?
VinLieger wrote: » I dont see how it will disappear as you claim,.
VinLieger wrote: » I dont see how it will disappear as you claim, thanks to antivaxxers and many countries having poor infrastructures for such a massive roll out. I believe this is endemic, if we are to travel outside Europe in the next decade and probably longer we will need to preemptively vaccinate against it like you would for tropical diseases.
brisan wrote: » Increase the government rollout to 50k It’s not rocket science How much training does a paramedic or an army medic need to give a vaccine The vaccine should never be available for purpose till everybody in the country who wants it has got it through the HSE
drunkmonkey wrote: » The WHO is looking at infecting healthy people with Covid to speed up vaccine trials.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/07/who-looks-at-giving-covid-to-healthy-people-to-speed-up-vaccine-trials Isn't that flying in the face of the Nuremberg Code.
drunkmonkey wrote: » Agree but not much use if the women who get it find they can't form a placenta and we're left breeding with the antivaxers. You can hardly compare it to getting the virus we've tested on probably 600 million versus the 30,000 odd with the vaccine.
is_that_so wrote: » They would be volunteers. This has been talked about during the summer, if not by WHO. There is a case to be made for it with so many vaccines and treatments currently being researched.
drunkmonkey wrote: » As far as I know you can't deliberately infect someone with something that could potentially kill them. I can see the pros to it but at the same time we need to respect history and not repeat it's mistakes.
Gael23 wrote: » The political pressure to get this right is huge so the HSE will have the powers that be all over them to ensure they can’t screw up
lbj666 wrote: » A good quick google there, The first principle stated that ‘The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential' they've already starting voluntary trials in the UK
is_that_so wrote: » Not rocket science but a very challenging logistical exercise and there haven't been enough doses manufactured so far.
brisan wrote: » It’s only a problem if you let it become a problem Put the time , money , assets and people into it and it’s possible They could test 115k people a week ( and that was limited by lab capacity ) so at least the same for vaccinations should be easily obtainable We will have 4 -7 vaccines available by early next year Big difference between can’t and won’t
Russman wrote: » I totally agree that every possible asset the country has should be thrown at this. Its genuinely the biggest, most important undertaking ever for us. Whether that involves the army, naval personnel, chains of pharmacies, private bus companies or even taxis just to ferry the vulnerable to hubs etc. Accepting that there are obviously some limiting factors, especially supply of doses of the vaccine(s). In the greater scheme of things, another half billion or whatever the cost would be, is chicken feed compared to the ongoing cost since February.
arctictree wrote: » Sorry, dont have time to read the whole thread! How come the UK are rolling out vaccinations from today and we are not?
Gael23 wrote: » Maybe even to the point of approaching nurses to come out of retirement to administer vaccines?
is_that_so wrote: » We can only obtain our allowed quota through the EU. HSE and DeGascun say testing for the sake of it is a waste of resources. BTW which 4-7 vaccines are you talking about and please define early next year? So far we have 2 coming our way.
brisan wrote: » https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.amp.htmlhttps://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2020/3/covid-19-vaccine-tracker Our allowed quota will cover more than 100% of the population as it will for all EU countries
is_that_so wrote: » Ultimately yes but not in January and maybe not until mid year.
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