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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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Today being Paddy Day 2020... when do you think we will have a ‘flu jab’ / pill / syrup that we can take to make us immune/ les likely to catch this 19 virus?.

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CIARAN_BOYLE

Russman wrote: »

Just thinking about the roll out of the vaccine, if we got XX amount of doses, whatever it might be, in January, let’s say 250k. Would it be best to give 250k people their first dose and depend on subsequent shipments for the second doses, or give 125k people their first and second dose out of the first batch ?

The HSE will know when their second batch is coming and will make their mind up based on that.

There's no evidence what effect giving the second dose 5 weeks after the first dose instead of 3 will have on the efficacy of the vaccine. Probably best to ensure people can have the doses on schedule.

lbj666

Russman wrote: »

Just thinking about the roll out of the vaccine, if we got XX amount of doses, whatever it might be, in January, let’s say 250k. Would it be best to give 250k people their first dose and depend on subsequent shipments for the second doses, or give 125k people their first and second dose out of the first batch ?

If it wasn't trialled for efficacy for one dose, imagine that 2nd dose would be given priority.

Gael23

Russman wrote: »

Just thinking about the roll out of the vaccine, if we got XX amount of doses, whatever it might be, in January, let’s say 250k. Would it be best to give 250k people their first dose and depend on subsequent shipments for the second doses, or give 125k people their first and second dose out of the first batch ?

I did wonder if that was an option. To give as many people as possible some of the vaccine, better than none at all surely. Then the requires second dose when available

StefanFal

Hi,

Flying into Dublin from Stockholm for a few days at Christmas with the family. I can't find any information on getting a Covid test ASAP upon landing.

Does anyone know if its possible at the airport?

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

I did wonder if that was an option. To give as many people as possible some of the vaccine, better than none at all surely. Then the requires second dose when available

No because its proven in trials at certain time intervals, you can't just say oh we'll give you your next dose when it's available, could run into a multitude of issues.

suicide_circus

https://rocdochealthcheck.ie/locations/

This seems to be the company running one of the test centres. Prepare to be charged a fortune.

stephenjmcd

Probably gone slightly under the radar but the defence forces are now involved with the covid task force.

Lieutenant Colonel Louis Flynn, chief of staff of the army's joint task force on Covid-19 - Operation Fortitude. Operation Fortitude was the operation that saw the army roll out test centres across the country.

According to today's independent,

"The Defence Forces will feature heavily in the logistics surrounding the physical roll-out of the vaccine, at least in the early days.

The military medical personnel who were trained in swabbing patients for Covid-19 during the first wave of the pandemic are to receive training on administering vaccines, the source said.

The army will also support the distribution of the vaccine to community testing hubs that will be remodelled as vaccine administration hubs."

Peregrinus

StefanFal wrote: »

Hi,

Flying into Dublin from Stockholm for a few days at Christmas with the family. I can't find any information on getting a Covid test ASAP upon landing.

Does anyone know if its possible at the airport?

Isn't a test on landing a bit late? Makes more sense to get a test before departing Stockholm; that way if you are infected you can avoid travelling, avoid possibly infecting people you care about, and do your quarantining at home, which has to be better than doing it on the road.

(NB: If you're infected on the journey, that wouldn't show up in a test on landing. Generally a test will miss any infection resulting from a contact less than 4 or 5 days previously. So what you want to do is get tested about a week before travel, and then isolate yourself as much as you can to minimise the chance of infection during that week. This obviously doesn't guarantee that you'll be uninfected when you travel, but it's the best you can do.)

Paddygreen

pconn062 wrote: »

Yes, the single biggest issue with regards to the vaccine in Ireland is going to be the ability of our health service to roll it out. Our inept health service is simply not going to be capable of handling such a task and we are already behind many of our european colleagues. I expect Ireland to be a minimum of 6 months behind the rest of western Europe with regards to roll out.

Absolute pandemonium. That is what I am expecting as a professional expert in a field. As long as the common Volkswagen does what Mr Tony says all should be well.

schmoo2k

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

It might help them but it might also make little difference as the vaccine trials weren't setup to see if asymptomatic transmission and severe covid infections would be impacted. Nobody knows and won't know how exactly it will performs at protecting the most vulnerable until it's rolled out

I don't understand your point - The trials did test how a vaccinated person (including over 65s) reacted to subsequent Covid infection and in the 6% of cases where they caught Covid it was never severe.

We know a small % of folks who get Covid will need hospitalisation so the trick will be getting those at risk folks the first round of vaccinations.

That won't eliminate Covid, but it will substantially lower the number of Covid related hospitalisations (and deaths).

StefanFal

Peregrinus wrote: »

Isn't a test on landing a bit late? Makes more sense to get a test before departing Stockholm; that way if you are infected you can avoid travelling, avoid possibly infecting people you care about, and do your quarantining at home, which has to be better than doing it on the road.

(NB: If you're infected on the journey, that wouldn't show up in a test on landing. Generally a test will miss any infection resulting from a contact less than 4 or 5 days previously. So what you want to do is get tested about a week before travel, and then isolate yourself as much as you can to minimise the chance of infection during that week. This obviously doesn't guarantee that you'll be uninfected when you travel, but it's the best you can do.)

That's a good idea so thanks for that. Getting tested is a nightmare in Sweden at the moment though. I'll do some digging.

ShineOn7

Going on the past few weeks: Monday = a positive press release from a major vaccine company

Let's hope today follows suit

is_that_so

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Going on the past few weeks: Monday = a positive press release from a major vaccine company

Let's hope today follows suit

Maybe not. The main runners have reported so what we are waiting for are the FDA and EMA approval. THE FDA might be this week, the EMA any time between now and Dec 29.

funnydoggy

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Going on the past few weeks: Monday = a positive press release from a major vaccine company

Let's hope today follows suit

Major story from the North Pole: Santa Claus is involved in vaccine rollout worldwide; global herd immunity expected by early February 2021

ShineOn7

funnydoggy wrote: »

Major story from the North Pole: Santa Claus is involved in vaccine rollout worldwide; global herd immunity expected by early February 2021

Good to hear

Because there's no way Mr Trampoline and Paul "how do I still have this job?" Reid don't make an absolute bollix of this in some way or another

funnydoggy

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Good to hear

Because there's no way Mr Trampoline and Paul "how do I still have this job?" Reid don't make an absolute bollix of this in some way or another

Santa's fired him and put him in charge of a McDonald's somewhere in the most rural part of the country!

yosemitesam1

schmoo2k wrote: »

I don't understand your point - The trials did test how a vaccinated person (including over 65s) reacted to subsequent Covid infection and in the 6% of cases where they caught Covid it was never severe.

We know a small % of folks who get Covid will need hospitalisation so the trick will be getting those at risk folks the first round of vaccinations.

That won't eliminate Covid, but it will substantially lower the number of Covid related hospitalisations (and deaths).

The trials can't answer how much of an impact on hospitalisations or deaths the vaccine will make. Severe covid is far too rare for them to be able to do that.
We are hoping that it will make a substantial impact and we are also hoping it will be possible for it to reduce the circulation of the virus

CIARAN_BOYLE

is_that_so wrote: »

Maybe not. The main runners have reported so what we are waiting for are the FDA and EMA approval. THE FDA might be this week, the EMA any time between now and Dec 29.

Isn't Johnston and Johnston efficacy data due soon?

Would simplify the roll out as they were looking at a single inject schedule.

drunkmonkey

Luke & Pat on the radio, I didn't realize they don't know if this vaccine actually stops the spread they just know it reduces severe symptoms.

Russman

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Isn't Johnston and Johnston efficacy data due soon?

Would simplify the roll out as they were looking at a single inject schedule.

Think its due early in the new year but might possibly be in late Dec as transmission is so high in some parts of the world.

MerlinSouthDub

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Isn't Johnston and Johnston efficacy data due soon?

Would simplify the roll out as they were looking at a single inject schedule.

Possibly, if the single injection is effective. They have recently started a separate trial on a two dose regimen.

With infection rates out of control in the US (again), it would be surprising if we don't get a read out in the next couple of weeks.

Irish Stones

El Sueño wrote: »

I think those who take the vaccine will be at some sort of advantage in terms of travel, entry to events and possibly employment. I don't know what this will entail but I believe this will be the case.

People that think otherwise are in denial in my opinion.

So there will be kind of a discrimination between those who get the vaccine and those who don't. Between those who would like to get the vaccine soon, but are being put at the bottom of the distribution list, and those who are first in the rank.

Over here, in Italy, they said that those who had the Covid will be the last to be vaccinated because these people already have a natural immunity. So, this way, they are discriminating these latter from the rest of the (European) population by at least one year in terms of ability to access to events, travels, gatherings.

Irish Stones

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm planning on travelling big time too after the vaccine. This year will make everyone appreciate the world a little more.

I think that governments should give us all an extra month or two off just to compensate for the loss of entartainment of this year. It would of great advantage for all the community, because more people movig for longer time, more money will be spent on the tourism industry and all that is linked to.
I doubt, though, that governments and politicians are so forward-looking.

Irish Stones

timsey tiger wrote: »

appreciate it enough to do anything about climate change?

I have always been a strong supporter for the cause of the environment and climate change, but the shock that this pandemic gave me, made me lose all my beliefs, and now, like Mickey 32 said, I don't care about it the least.
As a matter of fact, I stopped caring for lots of things.

drunkmonkey

Vaccination against tuberculosis can reduce the spread of COVID-19 and ease its course
Analysis showed that the spread of the new coronavirus infection occurs more slowly where there is a large percentage of people vaccinated against tuberculosis with the BCG vaccine. (Peer reviewed)

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-12/spsu-vat120320.php

We have a high number of people who've had the BCG vaccine, I'm assuming as the average age of death with Covid here is late 80's a lot of that generation haven't had it. Also our under 5's haven't had it.
We're accrediting all Covid success to restrictions while attributing nothing to the existing vaccine.

There's been too many studies and peer reviewed papers to continue to ignore the help the BCG vaccine has given us.

At this stage with all the evidence I find it deceitful by NPHET to take all the credit based on their restrictions.

sydthebeat

drunkmonkey wrote: »

At this stage with all the evidence I find it deceitful by NPHET to take all the credit based on their restrictions.

sorry, but where was this happening?

ceegee

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Luke & Pat on the radio, I didn't realize they don't know if this vaccine actually stops the spread they just know it reduces severe symptoms.

I'm not sure how they would check if it stops spread within the trial. The general consensus seems to be that it most likely will.

Gael23

What’s the latest in the AstraZeneca issues?

Russman

ceegee wrote: »

I'm not sure how they would check if it stops spread within the trial. The general consensus seems to be that it most likely will.

Astrazeneca/Oxford were swabbing people weekly to try track asymptomatic transmission. Adrian Hill said there's "tantalising" signals that it may stop transmission, whatever that actually means.

drunkmonkey

sydthebeat wrote: »

sorry, but where was this happening?

I haven't seen NPHET or anyone else in the spotlight in this country attribute anything besides restrictions to our success with Covid.
Plenty of places have already given it to health care workers and the UK are in the process of conducting clinical trials on it.