Mitch Connor wrote: » i worry that we won't know quickly enough for some, and in the absence of improvements a certain type of person will jump on the lack of info as proof the vaccines are a con. If the first dose was given on Jan 1st, I believe there needs to be a couple of weeks til the second dose, and then there is a time lag to when the vaccine is considered effective. So you are looking at Feb, maybe, before you would even begin to see an impact of the vaccine. But I fear you will have people screaming in mid-January if the numbers are dramatically improving and using it as 'proof' of them being right in their anti-vax views.
stephenjmcd wrote: » Indemnity agreements always have been part of vaccine contracts. Its standard for years, do a bit of research. You want an affordable vaccine you provide indemity to a certain level.
stephenjmcd wrote: » You want an affordable vaccine you provide indemity to a certain level.
drunkmonkey wrote: » People want a safe vaccine the manufacturer will stand over. Asking for a state guarantee against possible litigation doesn't inspire confidence. If we had a poll and asked will you pay €20 for a vaccine with a state guarantee or €200 for a vaccine with a manufacturer guarantee I'm not convinced the majority will choose the cheap shot.
ixoy wrote: » They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. For some people it'll always be rushed and others not rushed out fast enough. Some will want detailed assurance as to why it's approved (even if they wouldn't necessarily understand the science and process of it), others will put full faith in the manufacturers. The only real issue is, once EMA approved it, how fast your own country can push it out. Which is where many of us have little faith in the HSE.
JDD wrote: » I do think that the UK decision to approve Pfizer vaccine for mass rollout will put some pressure on the EMA to come to a decision sooner than 29 December. How could it not? No matter what you do here, it's a lose lose situation for the EMA and the EU. If they call their EGM for say, 18 December, and approve the vaccine, people will say that the EU regulators cut corners on their review in order to not look bad in comparison to the UK. If they wait until 29 December, and then EU countries only start rolling out the vaccine in early January, some clever folk will work out how many health care workers and vulnerable died in EU as opposed to the UK in the 3/4 weeks between the two approvals. The UK will certainly market that as a massive benefit of Brexit for British people. The only way the EMA come out of this smelling of roses is if, in fact, they find issues with the Pfizer vaccine and don't approve it by year end. The critics will then round on the UK and start asking questions about their approval. But that scenario is so so so unlikely. It seems that the UK regulator and the EMA weren't communicating that closely. If they were, and the EMA knew that the UK approval would be this early in December, they could have been more vague on their dates for decision and given themselves a little flexibility. That being said, I do hope the EMA close their ears and carry out their review in the way that they had planned to do. Ultimately it will lead to increased trust in their review and won't feed into the "rushed" vaccine narrative. I mean, there is people that will believe this vaccine is rushed no matter whether the EMA come out with their decision tomorrow or on 29 December, but you don't want to be adding any more fuel to the fire.
funnydoggy wrote: » The HSE must be mortified.
stephenjmcd wrote: » Why would they be ?
funnydoggy wrote: » Not being serious, just messing around
stephenjmcd wrote: » Ah no worries. Hard to tell given the way some people seem to be now complaining that we're too slow despite EMA only getting the submission this week. Light at the end of the tunnel either way.
Gael23 wrote: » Fianna Fáil will be remembered as the party that screwed up if they let the HSE get this wrong so there should be massive political pressure and input for them to do it right
lbj666 wrote: » Copy and Paste from the Guardian European countries were on Tuesday given a clear timeframe for the start of their vaccination programmes after the EU’s medicines regulator said it would decide by 29 December whether to grant emergency approval for the first Covid-19 jabs, AFP reports. France plans to prioritise the most fragile and exposed groups in early 2021, followed by a second campaign for the rest of the population between April and June, the president Emmanuel Macron announced.Germany has already said it is hoping to launch its immunisation drive in the first quarter of 2021 and is preparing vaccination centres across the country. The European Medicines Agency (EMA) said it would hold an extraordinary meeting on 29 December “at the latest” to consider emergency approval for a vaccine developed by Germany’s BioNTech and US giant Pfizer. Hopes that shots could be ready for use by the end of this year received a boost when US firm Moderna said it was filing Monday for emergency authorisation of its vaccine in the United States and Europe. The EMA said it would hold a separate meeting to assess that request by 12 January at the latest. Large-scale trial data released last month showed that both vaccines were safe and around 95 percent effective against Covid-19. European Commission spokesman Stefan de Keersmaecker told reporters that once the EMA gave regulatory permission, formal authorisation from Brussels would follow “very quickly”, probably “in a matter of days”.
ixoy wrote: » I can imagine the HSE cogging from the NHS's list and applying a colour scheme to it so they won't appear to be copying their neighbour's homework.
brisan wrote: » The HSE mandarins were in power before this Gov were elected and they will still be in position after this Gov has gone The HSE has a long record of failure and I can see nothing but problems with the roll out of this vaccination plan
Deleted User wrote: » One thing I would say the UK have been telling trusts and hospitals to "get ready" for months now. HSE don't appear to have done that yet. 50 UK hospitals have the freezers needed, they have rejigged some of the Nightingale locations. Not saying it's going to be perfectly smooth, but the groundwork is visible. If the HSE are doing stuff in the background, great, but it'd be nice to see the work a little.
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