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Car ploughs through crowd in Germany

ElJeffe

Breaking now on Reuters news

Several dead as person drives car in crowds in Western German town of Trier.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1366912/germany-news-trier-car-pedestrians-police-emergency-latest-update-terror

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[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Oddly enough, none of the rush-to-judgers had "radical, white, right-winger" on their bigoted bingo card.

And for good reason.

Thelonious Monk

Some posters will be so disappointed if this isn't a Muslim

biko

Crap, that's terrible. RIP.
We'll see what the police has to say.

Das Reich

greendom wrote: »

Fair play on the speed of your conclusion jump there. And on not deleting the post in embarrassment.

I wonder what's the age of those posters, if they have just a bad memory or if they do that intentionaly. We all saw what happened on the other cases, not long time ago, all the same modus operandi by the media.

TomTomTim

Deleted User wrote: »

Oddly enough, none of the rush-to-judgers had "radical, white, right-winger" on their bigoted bingo card.

It's almost like right wing terror attacks aren't anywhere near as common in Europe as Islamic ones. People who rush to assume Islamic involvement are simply using their pattern recognition.

[Deleted User]

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Some posters will be so disappointed if this isn't a Muslim

In much the same way some people will revel in the fact that it's not a Muslim

More point scoring bollocks from both sides who don't seem to give a **** about the incident but just care about furthering their bull**** fight against each other.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

In much the same way some people will revel in the fact that it's not a Muslim

More point scoring bollocks from both sides who don't seem to give a **** about the incident but just care about furthering their bull**** fight against each other.

Rebuking someone who incites hatred is not point-scoring.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Rebuking someone who incites hatred is not point-scoring.

Oh ffs. It's hatred to recognise that this horrendous attack had all the hallmarks of an Islamic attack and state that?

Inciting hatred?

Jesus wept.

biko

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Some posters will be so disappointed if this isn't a Muslim

Considering vehicle rampages in Stockholm, Nice, Berlin, Barcelona, London Bridge and Westminster Bridge the last few years it's not a surprise that a Islamist is the go-to assumption, don't you think?

I am old enough to remember when it wasn't the go-to assumption.
That was 20 years ago...

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh ffs. It's hatred to recognise that this horrendous attack had all the hallmarks of an Islamic attack and state that?

Inciting hatred?

Jesus wept.

Inciting hatred online carries a penalty of up to 2 years in prison in Germany.

Thelonious Monk

biko wrote: »

Considering vehicle rampages in Stockholm, Nice, Berlin, Barcelona, London Bridge and Westminster Bridge the last few years it's not a surprise that a Islamist is the go-to assumption, don't you think?

I am old enough to remember when it wasn't the go-to assumption.
That was 20 years ago...

Yes I know, I assumed it was too, I still think people will be disappointed it wasn't a muslim though.

biko

Unfortunately there will be a real Islamist attack soon somewhere in Europe.
They will never stop.

Kaybaykwah

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Some posters will be so disappointed if this isn't a Muslim

I didn’t jump to conclusions. I remember too well that guy in Toronto who rented a van a coupla years ago and rammed it into a bunch of people. His gripe was that he couldn’t find a girlfriend.

Well, guess what, he probably has a lot of mail in prison from prospects. That is the sad state of humanity.

I don’t fault gervais for thinking this was the case of someone on the terror trail, what with Christmas markets happening in German and Alsatian towns, but there are plenty of kooks out there.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Inciting hatred online carries a penalty of up to 2 years in prison in Germany.

Nobody on here has come close to inciting hatred.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Nobody on here has come close to inciting hatred.

That re-reg poster has had their posts deleted and a few other posts were deleted from the thread.

[Deleted User]

TomTomTim wrote: »

It's almost like right wing terror attacks aren't anywhere near as common in Europe as Islamic ones. People who rush to assume Islamic involvement are simply using their pattern recognition.

There have been ten terror attacks in Germany in the last two years.

6 were right-wingers.
2 were Islamists.

Liamo57

Hopefully it is not terrorist related.

McHardcore

Deleted User wrote: »

In much the same way some people will revel in the fact that it's not a Muslim

More point scoring bollocks from both sides who don't seem to give a **** about the incident but just care about furthering their bull**** fight against each other.

Oh stop with the sanctimonious preaching. You were posting "point scoring bollocks" daily in the Paris incident thread:

Deleted User wrote: »

Isnt it mad that the people who oppose the unfettered influx of Islam are usually branded far right too?

When its beginning to look like it was a German national from a nearby village that caused the deaths, and not some "illegal muslim immigrant" you are suddenly asking for people to refrain themselves. :rolleyes:

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

That re-reg poster has had their posts deleted and a few other posts were deleted from the thread.

If that is the case, mea culpa, but I have not seen anything on this thread that comes close.

Das Reich

Deleted User wrote: »

There have been ten terror attacks in Germany in the last two years.

6 were right-wingers.
2 were Islamists.

Where you got those numbers from?

[Deleted User]

McHardcore wrote: »

Oh stop with the sanctimonious preaching. You were posting "point scoring bollocks" daily in the Paris incident thread:

When its beginning to look like it was a German national from a nearby village that caused the deaths, and not some "illegal muslim immigrant" you are suddenly asking for people to refrain themselves. :rolleyes:

Sanctimonious preaching?

I never once said people should refrain. It's a horrible horrible incident regardless of what ethnicity, religion, sex or gender the perpetrator was. People can discuss however they see fit.

My point was simply, when someone says "oooh those right wingers are gonna be raging it's not a Muslim", they are just as bad as those who say "all those Muslim sympathisers will be out clutching their pearls". They both come across as dicks, especially when not seeming to care about or wanting to discuss the topic.

Also, that quote is not point scoring. It was saying that it's ridiculous that people who oppose illegal and unchecked immigration of people from Islamic countries (and any country I may add) are branded far right.

V8 Interceptor

.anon. wrote: »

The assumption isn't racist. The rush to post it is.

V8 Interceptor

Deleted User wrote: »

Rebuking someone who incites hatred is not point-scoring.

Deleted User wrote: »

Inciting hatred online carries a penalty of up to 2 years in prison in Germany.

These are the dangerous kinds of people that need to be kept out of power in this Country. They're the type who are behind the so-called hate speech laws they're trying to foist upon us.

A dedicated Irish thought-Gestapo is their wet dream.

thomil

Das Reich wrote: »

Where you got those numbers from?

I can name three right wing attacks off the top of my head.

June 2nd, 2019 - Assassination of Walter Lübke, former president of the government district of Kassel. Assassinated by an attacker with close ties to the neo-nazi NPD party and a British Neo-nazi terrorist group.

October 9th, 2019 - An attempted terrorist attack on the synagogue in Halle in Eastern Germany results in two fatalities and numerous casualties. The attacker had laid out his „manifesto“ online before the attack and had attempted to enter the synagogue to kill worshippers who had gathered on occasion of the Yom Kippur holiday.

February 19th, 2020 - An attacker kills ten people at multiple locations in the city of Hanau, including his own mother, before committing suicide. The attacker had laid out his motivations for the attack in both a recorded video and a pamphlet.

Those are just the ones I remember. I‘ll have to dig a little deeper, but given the rise of neo-fascist movements in Germany over the last couple of years, as well as the events earlier this fall when right-wing agitators tried to storm the German parliament, I‘d say that the number of far right attacks as such is probably even higher than that.

mcmoustache

Deleted User wrote: »

There have been ten terror attacks in Germany in the last two years.

6 were right-wingers.
2 were Islamists.

According to Wikipedia, if you count all terror attacks in Germany, there were:

10 Attacks

2 were lefties
6 were right-wingers
2 were islamists

Just adding sourcing to your comment as it was being questioned later in the thread. Some people find it difficult to believe that Germany could have a right-winger problem.

Beasty

Thread title amended - nothing at this stage to indicate it was a terror attack

.anon.

Deleted User wrote: »

In much the same way some people will revel in the fact that it's not a Muslim

It's absolutely not the same. 'Revelling' is the wrong word, but I'll be happier or relieved if it turns out not to have been carried out by someone with a wider agenda - be that Islamic extremism, far-right extremism or whatever.

km991148

biko wrote: »

Unfortunately there will be a real Islamist attack soon somewhere in Europe.
They will never stop.

There will be at some point.

Dies that mean every accident or attack should be treated as one?
Should we continue to Stoke the flames with generalisations about older religious types grooming terrorists or allude about the tanning of skin?

Gervais08

km991148 wrote: »

There will be at some point.

Dies that mean every accident or attack should be treated as one?
Should we continue to Stoke the flames with generalisations about older religious types grooming terrorists or allude about the tanning of skin?

You say “at some point” like there haven’t been any! Ffs.

km991148

Gervais08 wrote: »

You say “at some point” like there haven’t been any! Ffs.

Not really, I'm just agreeing that sure as sh!t there will be an Islamic terrorist attack. I don't know where you took it to mean that I am somehow pretending there wasn't one. I'm not looking for an argument here.. just challenging the acceptable level of xenophobia or religious discrimination.

Also why live in fear? Why keep the stereotypes going?

Any answer to what I asked?