ercork wrote: » Page 2 of that SEAI document gives you the price of a unit of heat supplied by all the different fuels. This is the only way to compare them as it does not rely on kg, bags, tonnes, litres, etc. So a unit of heat from an electric heater cost about 20c (band DD, electric heaters are 100% efficient). A unit of heat from coal in an open fire costs between 20c and 30 c as open fires are deemed to be only 20% efficient (see the column on the right hand side). Heat from a modern condensing gas boiler cost about 7c per unit and is probably the cheapest unless you're in the position to use a heat pump.
BattleCorp wrote: » No idea to be honest. I'd imagine (and this is only a guess) that it only applies to the production of the heat rather than how energy efficient things are. Obviously if something is less energy efficient, more heat will need to be produced and that means more fuel needs to be burned.
BattleCorp wrote: » Your solution isn't a realistic one. Good luck trying to get an almost 80 year old to move out of a house she's lived in for over 50 years. Secondly, if she sells an old, poorly insulated house, do you think she'll get enough to buy a newer, better insulated and more heat efficient house? This isn't an old house in Shrewsbury or Aylesbury Road we are talking about. We are talking about a town in rural Ireland and she wouldn't come close to getting a better house for the money she'd get for her own. How does an 80 year old struggling to get by on the old age State pension get the finances to insulate/upgrade the house? I bring in Coal for her every day so there's no struggling to bring in coal etc. Your recommendations above sound like Marie-Antoinette whe she was told that her French subjects had no bread to which she replied "Let them eat cake".
BattleCorp wrote: » Your recommendations above sound like Marie-Antoinette whe she was told that her French subjects had no bread to which she replied "Let them eat cake".
highdef wrote: » Had several power cuts during the 2018 late winter/early spring snow and had no central heating for several periods over several days. The two stoves kept the house nice and warm. The thoughts of not having a stove or range of some kind gives me the shivers, pun intended, as a back up heat source should there be any sort of power failure, boiler fault or an unexpected kerosene tank that could take a few days before it's refilled.
El Tarangu wrote: » Sell the house, and buy somewhere more economical to heat? Raise finance through some other means to insulate the house? (I presume the house will be sold on at some point in the future, and having it better insulated will increase it's resale value). While I can understand your mother wishing to stay in her own home, having her lug bags of coal around, and stooping and bending to feed the stove, does not sound like an ideal solution.
BattleCorp wrote: » Just a thought. Even if there's a power cut, at least with a solid fuel stove, you won't be without heat. Always good to have a back-up if the power goes out.
BattleCorp wrote: » My Mam is almost 80. She is on the State pension and gets about €250 per week. It's fair to say she doesn't have any spare money at the end of the week. She lives in a poorly insulated house that's heading for 75 years old and heats her house using a stove. What alternative does she have to using coal? She doesn't have the capital to invest in better technology. She is hardly unique as many pensioners are in the same boat. What do you suggest those people do?
Graces7 wrote: » Does that just apply to open fires rather than solid fuel stoves? Which heat the water and will run central heating radiators?
Atlantic Dawn wrote: » This is a big problem, I noticed during the summer that you couldn't keep a window open because neighbours were using the stoves to heat their water and polluting the air, this was when it was 25 degrees plus during the day.
Stovepipe wrote: » the hot tub users will say that their wood is bone dry, having been stacked for three years and they'd be foolish not to use it, as they have plenty of it and it is a renewable resource.
BattleCorp wrote: » They appear to be the cost per kWh. The fact that most of it goes up the chimney is probably neither here nor there in that chart. Again, I'm far from an expert and happy to be corrected.
Pkiernan wrote: » I've reported your personal abuse. Why you need to mention the word retarded is beyond me. Whats next, are you going to start calling people the N word?
BattleCorp wrote: » The conditions that many old people are living in are absolutely shocking.
beauf wrote: » I currently have Gas. I find it significantly cheaper. That said I think big part of that is I got zones installed and the water heating separated from the heating. I also got a boost timer installed. That changed how you use it. We don't use a schedule. We only heat exactly what we want and when we want it.
TheChizler wrote: » Does that account for the 20-30% efficiency of an open fire? Can't tell from that document.
skooterblue2 wrote: » There is no cheap fuel. I would have a solid fuel cast iron on in the morning only planning restraints stop me. The pellet stoves dont hold the heat when they turn them off at night. Ours cost 1600 incl installation. Could have gotten a lovely cast iron for €600 and less trouble.
Pkiernan wrote: » Burning coal to stay warm is a sign of an incredibly stupid society.
Graces7 wrote: » As a matter of interest and information can you price it per hour to use? Thank you.
Stovepipe wrote: » Anybody recall those Corpo flats that were centrally heated? Plastic walls? Built in Cork and Dublin with brick gable ends and front and rear walls made of a kind of fibreboard coated in plastic and they had an electric air blower heating system, which was supposed to duct heated air around the rooms and keep them warm. They were a disaster and constantly failed and the Corpo had to rip them out and fit fireplaces. Our first house in Cork had them (a private scheme) but we soon got rid of it. The houses were so badly insulated, it was impossible to heat them properly. Everyone in the estate put in a fireplace afterwards. back in the 70s and 80s, rockwool was about as good as it got for insulation. the concept of insulating walls didnt exist.
beauf wrote: » I've not first hand experience, but anyone I know with a pellet boiler is constantly fixing and adjusting it. Might be cheap fuel but thats the only thing thats cheap about it. Maybe some people have good experiences.
Stihl waters wrote: » What a stupidly retarded statement
gozunda wrote: » Meanwhile in Scandinavia...https://www.skargards.com/ie/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAzZL-BRDnARIsAPCJs72rq4M5a_vZNM4Z3Xn8jAZsisFJuW38NE2cuNyhJZUNFT3s2w_NFQcaAlgVEALw_wcB
Stovepipe wrote: » Anybody recall those Corpo flats that were centrally heated? Plastic walls? Built in Cork and Dublin with brick gable ends and front and rear walls made of a kind of fibreboard coated in plastic and they had an electric air blower heating system, which was supposed to duct heated air around the rooms and keep them warm. They were a disaster and constantly failed and the Corpo had to rip them out and fit fireplaces. Our first house in Cork had them (a private scheme) but we soon got rid of it. The houses were so badly insulated, it was impossible to heat them properly. Everyone in the estate put in a fireplace afterwards. back in the 70s and 80s, rockwool was about as good as it got for insulation. the concept of insulating walls didnt exist.The Greens have this notion that we will all become proper Scandinavians if we just listen to them, follow their advice (or orders) and super-insulate our houses. Well, the bad news for Greens is that most Scandi houses are heated by Russian or North Sea gas and/or nuclear power and that isn't changing any time soon, regardless of Greta Thunberg's opinion, and they are properly built from day 1, not thrown up by shifty builders, desperate to squeeze every cent out of a project.
BattleCorp wrote: » Looking at the chart in the link below, it looks like electricity is far more expensive than coal per delivered energy cost cent/kWh 5.98 for standard coal. 18.01 to 33.66 for electricity. Fair enough night rate is 9.71 but it's hard to heat an old badly insulated house on night rate only.https://www.seai.ie/publications/Domestic-Fuel-Cost-Comparison.pdf
Graces7 wrote: » I, like many old folk, have the choice. I choose and prefer a solid fuel stove It heats the tank of water too. And costs less to heat than electricity.
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