feedmindc19 wrote: » Yes. How do you not realize a bored billionaire Bill g what does he give a ****e about you or me or john and mary living down the bog road why do you and the rest of Ireland think your so important to some billionaire prick ffs ... and not just one billionaire prick
penno wrote: » It is terrible that anyone who voices their reservations about taking the vaccine are called 'conspiracy theorists' or shot down straight away as having no clue as to how a vaccine works.
naughtynaughty wrote: » Yeah, have the long-term effects been tested? Is 10k people enough to vaccinate a whole planet?
I really don't get why you'd mention masks and social distancing. I live on this planet too, don't you think I've heard that before? If masks and social distancing work so well then how come we are facing a "worse" second wave when compliance rates are through the roof?
(as much as RTE would have you believe otherwise) Seriously, when was the last time you saw someone go maskless in Dunnes? Do you remember, before July not a single person wore a mask. Even my mother thought the idea of them was ridiculous.
EDIT: Actually a little experiment: Next time you are in a shop count how many seconds you can go without hearing or reading "mask", "mandatory", "covid" or "social distancing". If you can beat my current record of 4 seconds then well done!
King Mob wrote: » Sorry, how do you know this? How do you know the long term effects of the virus on everyone it effects? How do you know that the death rate is actually this low? (It's not) And how do you know that it can't change? We've only had it for a year and according to you, that is not enough time to understand it. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.?
King Mob wrote: » How do you know the long term effects of the virus on everyone it effects?
King Mob wrote: » And how do you know that it can't change?
King Mob wrote: » And what about the bodily integrity of other people to not be infected by a virus?
I am even starting to doubt the number of Covid deaths there are in Ireland. Nearly a year in and we've still no real stats on those deaths regarding underlying illness etc. Is it still a case of a Covid positive person that gets run over by a bus still dies of Covid nothing else?!!
And young people, why should they even want to be vaccinated when it doesn't even effect them any more than a mild cold.
Lots of questions and doubts buzzing around my head, but I'm sure i will get lynched now for daring to even mention them!
spring lane jack wrote: » My friend that I haven't seen in person since July got the virus and its not affecting him in any way, he had the Covid app on his phone and the HSE sent several texts to my phone in a very threatening manner, the type of texts that would put fear into someone who believes all this jazz and buys into the hype. They then spent four days ringing me from three different numbers, so many calls I put the phone on silent. I'm having no hand part or act in this charade and even though I'm in the so called at risk category I won't be taking any vaccine.
naughtynaughty wrote: » Yes I can see why it seems hypocritical, but I have reasons for it. Before I go on though I'll say that using words like "crap" and "pseudoscientific" to describe my opinion is not a very effective way to argue.
naughtynaughty wrote: » We don't, but people seem to recover well. It can change but doesn't look like it will.
naughtynaughty wrote: » Surely they will be vaccinated right?
naughtynaughty wrote: » Now, to address my "hypocrisy" I have 3 points. Firstly the virus has been around for more than a year, vaccine efforts have been around for at most half of that.
naughtynaughty wrote: » Secondly, the vaccine is man-made and acts on a virus that even you say is not very well understood. Humans are quite flawed and terrible things can happen if we **** this up.
naughtynaughty wrote: » Thirdly, whether or not this disease is bad (I think it's probably not going by "initial evidence" shall we call it), why introduce another variable into the mix? So, we're already in a bad situation where we have an at least somewhat bad disease. What happens if we really mess up with this and it's worse than the disease?
King Mob wrote: » So his true motivation is...?
feedmindc19 wrote: » I suspect that the very introduction of more control (just like after 9/11) through AI will take place nicely and insidiously. Elon Musk have tried to chip a pig if I do not remember wrong.
Dohnjoe wrote: » Jesus christ 1. You do realise they were trying to contact trace your friend? 2. What is the "charade"?
feedmindc19 wrote: » big question is...
King Mob wrote: » Sorry, no. The question was if you believe that Bill Gates was part of a plan to chip people..
feedmindc19 wrote: » No I dont. Not straight away the right technology for what he wants is is not here yet. Ask me in ten years.
King Mob wrote: » But unfortunately, there is a lot of psudoscientific crap going around out there. And we're seeing a lot of it on this forum. You arguments also share a lot with the common arguments from antivaxxers.
King Mob wrote: » Again, what are you basing this on? What research has been done on the long term effects inside a year?
King Mob wrote: » In fact, there's a lot of cases where the virus has left long lasting damage. We can't know the extent however, because it hasn't been very long.
King Mob wrote: » Again, it seems like you don't actually understand how vaccines work. Sure, if 99% of all people are vaccinated, then it's not really an issue. But then, why do you get to be part of the 1%? What if large portions of the population don't get the vaccine? Do they forfeit their right not to catch the virus from you?
King Mob wrote: » What about the people who can't get vaccines for one reason or another? Either due to immunodeficiency issues or allergies? Tough luck to them, guess they have to stay home cause your rights to refuse a vaccine based of internet research trumps their rights to free movement or bodily integrity?
King Mob wrote: » Yet you keep claiming that the virus and it's long term effects are understood enough to be deemed not an issue. So if the vaccine is tested for another 6 months, then it will be alright?
King Mob wrote: » What about the prior research in vaccines and previous experience in vaccines? Does all of that just not count?
King Mob wrote: » And you say terrible things can happen, what terrible things can happen with the vaccine specifically?
King Mob wrote: » What happens if we do nothing? What happens if the virus gets worse? I could also point to vague, unsubstantiated doomsday scenarios based on those options too. It seems a lot like conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxers are fine with a few million people just dying to appease their paranoia.
naughtynaughty wrote: » Here's where we'll disagree. I, unlike you perhaps, believe in the validity of the Theory of Evolution. Survival of the fittest. There are already so many people on this planet that we are not only trashing it with obscene amounts of pollution, but we are actually warming the planet. Why not let the strong survive and the weak die off? I'm not saying that because I am strong, I'm saying that because that is the natural order. My disappointments with this virus is 1) that the people can be so easily controlled and 2) that it's not deadly enough. Wouldn't you like a world where just the strongest survived?
feedmindc19 wrote: » We are all entitled to our beliefs do I mock your belief , if you choose to believe your money grabbing ,spineless good for nothing EU/irish governments and choose to believe they have your interests at heart well be my guest. But unfortunatly my eyes are open to their bull**** and when youve seen the crap its hard to unsee. I would like to be niave and only have tunnel vision. But I dont and to answer your question again Yes I do believe it. Its the end of the world as we know it.
King Mob wrote: » Yea. Started to type an actual reply to you. Got to this and decided that it was going to be a waste of effort. Either you are a troll or you actually believe this. Either way... Again, people are doing a bang up job showing the kinds of thinking behind the conspiracy theories.
King Mob wrote: » And you've dodged the questions again. This is because you can't answer them I think. You believe all this silly conspiracy stuff, yet you can't at all defend it. Why believe it when you can't make sense of it?Also, what happens when the world doesn't end like it didn't for every single time you guys predicted it? Will you reevaluate your beliefs? Or will you just push it back 10 years again and recycle all this nonsense for the next pandemic or crisis?
naughtynaughty wrote: » He he he. I took a brief look at your post history man. You seem to be a full blown anti-conspiracy-theorist. The kind who solemnly gobbles up what the media tell you as fact. Not good for your mental health buddy especially when we are being imprisoned locked down Take care of yourself dude, maybe go watch some Alex Jones or something, try to balance your perspective a bit because you're too far on the other side.
naughtynaughty wrote: » Of course he can't answer them! He doesn't know the answers, he just (rightly) knows that something very bad is happening. Do you expect him to have just been back from lunch with Bill Gates himself after he just divulged his entire master plan? I don't know if Gates has anything to do with anything.. but I'll tell you some bad is happening and as your man said, his eyes are open. Open your eyes. Bolded part: lumping everyone into one category, us vs them mentality... Full of logical fallacies you are.
King Mob wrote: » Yea. I really should consider the possiblity it's all a big conspiracy to depopulate the world by a vast cabal of secret satanists who are also going to give us the mark of the beast. I'm sure the truth is some where between my position and that... But in reality the reason I don't buy into any conspiracy theories is because they all share the same sort of bull****. As you and your buddies have been demonstrating, that's the case with this one. Also, lol. "Imprisoned." I assume you're forced to wear "muzzles" too, right? :rolleyes:
King Mob wrote: » No, I expect someone proposing a belief, especially one they are purporting as truth, and especially when they are decrying the non believers to be dumb sheep, to have a consistent, rational explanation. But most conspiracy theorists don't, because their theories aren't rational or consistent. And yes, I'm lumping him and yourself in with other conspiracy theorists who have claimed all of this crap before. There isn't any difference.
naughtynaughty wrote: » I never mentioned anything about the mark of the beast, or anything like that. I think theories like that are partly fun and are not meant to be taken entirely seriously
naughtynaughty wrote: » Doesn't matter what either of us say though man, we are 2 losers arguing about something we have no control over at 4am on the internet.
King Mob wrote: » Oh no, people aren't proposing them for fun. And yes, most of the conspiracy theorists here have been talking about "marks of the beast etc". They've been doing that for years.
naughtynaughty wrote: » Ugh, sorry one more. It's just too god damn juicy. No that is absolutely not true. There's actually a conspiracy-conspiracy going on. There are very real and genuine issues, but obscenely ridiculous theories like that are thrown into the mix to discredit the ones that actually are real.
harrylittle wrote: » What worries me is governments what to inject me with a vaccine that's rushed out with a few months of research with no long term testing , no real evidence that the vaccine actually works and worst of all the companies making the vaccine are free from liability and a computer guy also involved in making vaccines grinning from ear to ear while lecturing about global depopulation on ted talks.
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