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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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Today being Paddy Day 2020... when do you think we will have a ‘flu jab’ / pill / syrup that we can take to make us immune/ les likely to catch this 19 virus?.

Mod: The purpose of this thread is baked into the title - COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures - it's not a platform to push an anti vaccination agenda. If posters wish to discuss the perceived cons of vaccinations, or push various theories regarding 'the agenda' (whatever that is supposed to mean), open a thread elsewhere on it.

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charlie14

Marhay70 wrote: »

I don't want to derail the thread by getting into a political discussion so I'll just say this.
The HSE isn't bothered because Government don't hold them to account, Government don't hold them to account because we, the electorate, don't hold Government to account. Solution; hold Government to account by not returning the same old useless TDs time after time just because their grandad's first cousin walked down O'Connell Street in 1916. End of rant.

Quite a few independents elected of late haven`t exactly set the world on fire either.

Gael23

Marhay70 wrote: »

I don't want to derail the thread by getting into a political discussion so I'll just say this.
The HSE isn't bothered because Government don't hold them to account, Government don't hold them to account because we, the electorate, don't hold Government to account. Solution; hold Government to account by not returning the same old useless TDs time after time just because their grandad's first cousin walked down O'Connell Street in 1916. End of rant.

The government don’t hold them to account because the unions rule the roost so there’s no point

Water John

This is the guy heading up the vaccination task force;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_MacCraith

froog

Water John wrote: »

This is the guy heading up the vaccination task force;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_MacCraith

hmm. has he rolled out many vaccines?

Deeper Blue

froog wrote: »

hmm. has he rolled out many vaccines?

We should get the vaccine inventor that was posting here to do it

ACitizenErased

Paddygreen is the head of the Boards vaccine taskforce

Voltex

Water John wrote: »

The vaccination rollout will happen and I don't expect any major problems.

I brought my son for a Covid test when his class had a positive. It was a fantastic set up..well organised, fast, easy and most of all very dignified.

Why wouldn't the vaccinations happen in the same way? Instead of getting a swab up your nose, you get a jab of the vaccine.

Cork2021

Be unreal if they delivered the vaccines like this!!

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1330216372840886272?s=21

Dickie10

ill give luke oneill this, he must be one of the only medic people on media that is actually positive and want this to come to an end , theres a definite feeling the rest of them love the power and most of all the pubs being stamped all over and shut. will absolutley kill them to see them open and restrcitions lifted next spring

hmmm

Water John wrote: »

The vaccination rollout will happen and I don't expect any major problems.

I think we'd all be more comfortable if we saw a plan. One day lost on delivering the vaccine is one day too much.

The UK seem to be treating this like a logistics exercise, while the makeup of our vaccine task force seems to be more medical driven. That might be an unfair characterisation, but again the more information people get the better. If we got 250,000 doses delivered in January, that's a lot of people and they'll need to be tracked for their second dose.

Have GPs been briefed as to what the plans are?

Water John

Give people a date and time for the second when they get the first. So a four week blitz on a specific cohort and repeat.
One of them main points of having major players overseeing such a project is that they will not allow their names be linked to a failure.

Goldengirl

Cork2021 wrote: »

Be unreal if they delivered the vaccines like this!!

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1330216372840886272?s=21

Haha, very good

Coke ad just on TV as I write this !

hmmm

Water John wrote: »

Give people a date and time for the second when they get the first.

Who maintains the list of who gets what and when? What happens if they miss their second visit or want to change the date? What if they're an older person who needs someone to drive them to the vaccination centre - and the person who takes them can only take time off on Tuesday afternoons? Are we assuming that all these people will come to a particular central location, or will people have to go to them?

I'm not saying it's difficult, but it's not trivial either. The first groups in particular may be relatively immobile or infirm (or a bit doddery).

take everything

My sister wants to get tested before coming home for Christmas.

It cost 199 and is only available for one hour a day apparently.

Can anyone tell me why it's so expensive and relatively difficult to get a test.

Goldengirl

hmmm wrote: »

I think we'd all be more comfortable if we saw a plan. One day lost on delivering the vaccine is one day too much.

The UK seem to be treating this like a logistics exercise, while the makeup of our vaccine task force seems to be more medical driven. That might be an unfair characterisation, but again the more information people get the better. If we got 250,000 doses delivered in January, that's a lot of people and they'll need to be tracked for their second dose.

Have GPs been briefed as to what the plans are?

GPs would be fine and would keep track of who got what shot .
However GPs tend to leave their patients to take personal responsibility , which is as it should be , for attending for their vaccines and few practices would have the staff to be contacting folk who don't come back for the second dose and reminding them, and rearranging appointments.

I think this is too important to leave to ad hoc arrangements by GPs .
GPs should refer their vulnerable patients , as they do now for testing and test centres or an equivalent could be repurposed for mass vaccination , with contact tracers ensuring people are reminded to come back for shot no 2 , if necessary .
Need to have the recruitment starting now to have everything ready .

Water John

Not sure if the GP system should be used. Let them deal with normal business.

plodder

Water John wrote: »

Not sure if the GP system should be used. Let them deal with normal business.

Yes, like mass testing, mass vaccination needs to be done on a bigger scale.

CIARAN_BOYLE

take everything wrote: »

My sister wants to get tested before coming home for Christmas.

It cost 199 and is only available for one hour a day apparently.

Can anyone tell me why it's so expensive and relatively difficult to get a test.

Tests are expensive because a decent test takes a lot of lab time. That's not free.

I've no idea why it would be difficult to get a test. Everyone I know that has needed a private test for some reason or another have gotten it pretty easily.

Water John

One area division system that could be used is Eircode. The first 3 numbers, letters is a specific area. This divides the country into 139 areas.
https://www.autoaddress.ie/support/developer-centre/resources/routing-key-boundaries

Gael23

Water John wrote: »

One area division system that could be used is Eircode. The first 3 numbers, letters is a specific area. This divides the country into 139 areas.
https://www.autoaddress.ie/support/developer-centre/resources/routing-key-boundaries

How do you decide which eircode gets it first? It would became a huge political issue

plodder

Gael23 wrote: »

How do you decide which eircode gets it first? It would became a huge political issue

There's a huge difference between the population of eircode areas as well. From around 100,000 (eg Galway H91) to a few hundred where I live in North County Dublin. Would be great for us obviously

, but I don't think it would be fair.

Goldengirl

Water John wrote: »

One area division system that could be used is Eircode. The first 3 numbers, letters is a specific area. This divides the country into 139 areas.
https://www.autoaddress.ie/support/developer-centre/resources/routing-key-boundaries

GPs have to be involved to notify HSE of vulnerable and at risk patients .
Healthcare should be vaccinated at work.
Then have vaccination appointments set up and record all cases by PPSN numbers , which is the way vaccination is done now , through school vaccines and with newborns .
There are public health centres all over the country which could have be used but would need extra staff to make it work effectively .

Water John

One doesn't choose to do one physical area and not another. For example you decide to do everyone over 70, but the Eircode gives you a working structure. Some such areas might need to be subdivided.

plodder

Water John wrote: »

One doesn't choose to do one physical area and not another. For example you decide to do everyone over 70, but the Eircode gives you a working structure. Some such areas might need to be subdivided.

Yes, eircodes are useful for identifying households or people but not so good for identifying areas. They were designed to not be useful for that.

Russman

Goldengirl wrote: »

GPs have to be involved to notify HSE of vulnerable and at risk patients .
Healthcare should be vaccinated at work.
Then have vaccination appointments set up and record all cases by PPSN numbers , which is the way vaccination is done now , through school vaccines and with newborns .
There are public health centres all over the country which could have be used but would need extra staff to make it work effectively .

Not many (any ?) GPs would have the facility to store the Pfizer vaccine though. I know it can last a bit of time in normal refrigeration but i think it’s dicey to get GPs involved in that one. They’d be much better suited to AZ/Oxford if it comes through imo.
Actually getting it to GPs could be an issue too - doses will be rationed and probably most surgeries might only get, I dunno, 50 doses or something, that’s a lot of couriers heading around the country with specialised containers. Plus adding 50 visits, before the vaccine expires, on top of their normal patients, might not be doable. Lots of smaller practices in residential areas with little parking - could be a nightmare.
It’s of course doable but there’s a lot to plan and think about. I think the Pfizer one is more suited to mass vaccination hubs and let a few vans with specialist teams visit all the care homes.

I suppose it’s a good problem to have though !

Miike

Russman wrote: »

Not many (any ?) GPs would have the facility to store the Pfizer vaccine though. I know it can last a bit of time in normal refrigeration but i think it’s dicey to get GPs involved in that one. They’d be much better suited to AZ/Oxford if it comes through imo.
Actually getting it to GPs could be an issue too - doses will be rationed and probably most surgeries might only get, I dunno, 50 doses or something, that’s a lot of couriers heading around the country with specialised containers. Plus adding 50 visits, before the vaccine expires, on top of their normal patients, might not be doable. Lots of smaller practices in residential areas with little parking - could be a nightmare.
It’s of course doable but there’s a lot to plan and think about. I think the Pfizer one is more suited to mass vaccination hubs and let a few vans with specialist teams visit all the care homes.

I suppose it’s a good problem to have though !

I highly doubt GP surgeries will be administering ANY COVID19 vaccine within 12-24 months. The OP you quoted is referring to the fact GPs will need to refer patients based on a criteria to the HSE to avail of the vaccine. There will be mass vaccination clinics

Russman

Anyone know, roughly, how many care home residents we have and how many front line HCWs we have ?
Just wondering if our first batch of c250k doses (125k people) would cover the bulk of those groups ?

Miike

Russman wrote: »

Anyone know, roughly, how many care home residents we have and how many front line HCWs we have ?
Just wondering if our first batch of c250k doses (125k people) would cover the bulk of those groups ?

70-80k nurses. 20-25k doctors. NHI claim there is 25k nursing home residents.

Now what about the people who are at home not included in those numbers plus all the other healthcare workers

Russman

Miike wrote: »

70-80k nurses. 20-25k doctors. NHI claim there is 25k nursing home residents.

Now what about the people who are at home not included in those numbers plus all the other healthcare workers

Thanks,

Ohh I know there are other groups etc., I just wanted to get an idea of the numbers.

Goldengirl

Russman wrote: »

Not many (any ?) GPs would have the facility to store the Pfizer vaccine though. I know it can last a bit of time in normal refrigeration but i think it’s dicey to get GPs involved in that one. They’d be much better suited to AZ/Oxford if it comes through imo.
Actually getting it to GPs could be an issue too - doses will be rationed and probably most surgeries might only get, I dunno, 50 doses or something, that’s a lot of couriers heading around the country with specialised containers. Plus adding 50 visits, before the vaccine expires, on top of their normal patients, might not be doable. Lots of smaller practices in residential areas with little parking - could be a nightmare.
It’s of course doable but there’s a lot to plan and think about. I think the Pfizer one is more suited to mass vaccination hubs and let a few vans with specialist teams visit all the care homes.

I suppose it’s a good problem to have though !

Not suggesting GPs should be involved in anything except referring their high risk patients ..I think you have misread my posts .