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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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Today being Paddy Day 2020... when do you think we will have a ‘flu jab’ / pill / syrup that we can take to make us immune/ les likely to catch this 19 virus?.

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stephenjmcd

Marhay70 wrote: »

That's a tiny percentage of the population. Is this due to constraints on manufacturing or administration?

Neither, its provisioned under emergency use, efficiency trials continue

brisan

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-vaccines-ireland-5265642-Nov2020/

The group will be chaired by Professor Brian MacCraith, the former president of DCU. Chief Medical Officer Tony Holohan will also be on vaccine taskforce, as will the HSE’s Paul Reid.

We are royally knackered so

Marhay70

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Neither, its provisioned under emergency use, efficiency trials continue

So really this is an extended trial, using selected categories of people? When I first heard of the "approval" it appeared to be for general distribution. Is it the same in other countries where it is being used?

hmmm

Marhay70 wrote: »

So really this is an extended trial, using selected categories of people? When I first heard of the "approval" it appeared to be for general distribution. Is it the same in other countries where it is being used?

I don't think there is currently any vaccine which is approved for general distribution?

The Chinese vaccines seem to be in a hybrid phase 3/emergency use thing - given to military, travelers overseas etc. There's not much point testing vaccines inside China given the low prevalence of the virus, so I can see their point.

For the Western vaccines it sounds like the regulators want 2 months full data before emergency approval in high-risk groups, but will continue monitoring for another few months before giving approval for general release.

Cork2021

hmmm wrote: »

I don't think there is currently any vaccine which is approved for general distribution?

The Chinese vaccines seem to be in a hybrid phase 3/emergency use thing - given to military, travelers overseas etc. There's not much point testing vaccines inside China given the low prevalence of the virus, so I can see their point.

For the Western vaccines it sounds like the regulators want 2 months full data before emergency approval in high-risk groups, but will continue monitoring for another few months before giving approval for general release.

In terms of our side of the world, I’d assume the EUA will last at least 18 months and during that time full approval will happen? The EU isn’t going to wait until Feb/March to roll this out if it’s available at year end

Marhay70

theballz wrote: »

Its time to accept that lockdowns do not work, first time round it was different. Now people are fed up, W.H.O. has said on a number of occasions Lockdowns are not going to get us through this virus.

Ireland is still in the stone age when it comes to technology and innovation, if we had of just invested in a proper robust contact tracing solution we would be better placed to live with the virus.

I'm in a high risk group and I'm totally pi**ed off with lockdown because it's more rigorous for me but I can see the sense in trying to avoid large gatherings of people. The problem in my view, is that people can't be trusted to act with a bit of cop on. We've all seen what happened in Penneys when the first lockdown was lifted, what happened at the beaches at the first sniff of a bit of sunshine, what happened in some pubs etc. etc. etc. We've all seen the huge increase in cases and fatalities in the last couple of months and the decrease since the latest lockdown, so it's obvious lockdown has an effect.
So, if we dispense with lockdown, given that we're not going to become a technological powerhouse in the near future, what is your alternative?

martingriff

theballz wrote: »

Its time to accept that lockdowns do not work, first time round it was different. Now people are fed up, W.H.O. has said on a number of occasions Lockdowns are not going to get us through this virus.

Ireland is still in the stone age when it comes to technology and innovation, if we had of just invested in a proper robust contact tracing solution we would be better placed to live with the virus.

Ya it's just the technology personal responsibility has nothing to do wi it also:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Also why are nearly all countries doing a form of lockdown atm

daydorunrun

theballz wrote: »

Its time to accept that lockdowns do not work, first time round it was different. Now people are fed up, W.H.O. has said on a number of occasions Lockdowns are not going to get us through this virus.

Ireland is still in the stone age when it comes to technology and innovation, if we had of just invested in a proper robust contact tracing solution we would be better placed to live with the virus.

We were told lockdown was a last resort, it has since transpired that it's the go to option. We should be making rapid testing easily available. They aren't perfect but have the potential to stop many clusters from happening if they were widely used, especially over the Christmas period which no doubt will lead to the biggest wave at in mid to late January.

JTMan

HSJ have an exclusive here on the NHS vaccine roll out plan.

The majority of the UK will be vaccinated by the end of March 2021.

- Vaccines first given to care home residents, social care workers and healthcare workers.
- Whole UK population to be eligible to receive the vaccine from the end of January 2021.

The dates penciled in for beginning each group are:
Care home residents and staff, healthcare workers - from beginning of December;
Ages 80 plus - from mid-December;
Everyone aged 70-80 - from late December;
Everyone aged 65-70 - from early January;
All high and moderate risk under 65s - from early January;
Everyone aged 50-65 - from mid January; and
Everyone aged 18-50 - from late January; but with the bulk of this group vaccinated during March.

stephenjmcd

JTMan wrote: »

HSJ have an exclusive here on the NHS vaccine roll out plan.

The majority of the UK will be vaccinated by the end of March 2021.

- Vaccines first given to care home residents, social care workers and healthcare workers.
- Whole UK population to be eligible to receive the vaccine from the end of January 2021.

Seems highly ambitious to be honest, not sure if its that realistic of a timeline personally

hmmm

JTMan wrote: »

HSJ have an exclusive here on the NHS vaccine roll out plan.

That's quite spectacular.

There's an assumption in the report that the Oxford vaccine will be available. Otherwise they don't have the supply with just Pfizer & Moderna. We don't know how many vaccines AstraZeneca have manufactured already, I suspect they must have a fairly huge number if they are talking about dates like this.

"The plan would see 88.5 million vaccination doses delivered across England, with two doses per person over the age of 18, by the end of April. The doses must be given 28 days apart, for both the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine (known in the planning documents by the codename Courageous) and the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine (known by the name Talent), according to the document."

ixoy

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Seems highly ambitious to be honest, not sure if its that realistic of a timeline personally

Indeed, given their own testing regime fell asunder I'd be surprised if they did this.
Still at least they've an outline of a plan. The HSE will be under immense pressure to reveal theirs.. But that probably won't bother them

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stephenjmcd wrote: »

Seems highly ambitious to be honest, not sure if its that realistic of a timeline personally

UK government have a habit of overpromising and underdelivering (it's a Tory tactic really, the news of the plan creates a bigger splash than it's inevitable failure eg. Operation Moonshot) but it is good to see that level of ambition with regards vaccine rollout schedules.

They also have an advantage in that central NHS records can pinpoint at risk people a lot easier than in Ireland, as a lot people's health records here are just on their GP files so we will need more self identification by risk groups. (The NHS contact people directly to get the flu vaccine for example, and this makes the appointment system very easy, they also sent letters directly to those that were advised to cocoon.)

I doubt they will be able to source the numbers of Covid vaccine doses required in that timescale but best of luck to them if they do, it'll help us too as Northern Ireland will become less of a risk and many cross border workers might benefit if they are key workers.

Duke of Url

I wonder will people still go for testing after receiving the Vaccine or do you even need to if you come into close contact with someone?

tobefrank321

ixoy wrote: »

Indeed, given their own testing regime fell asunder I'd be surprised if they did this.
Still at least they've an outline of a plan. The HSE will be under immense pressure to reveal theirs.. But that probably won't bother them

Its going to be a cut and paste of the UK one. Everything will be a cut and paste. That's why they haven't revealed their plans, they were waiting to see what the UK do first.

They'll probably still get the cut and paste wrong!

Water John

A strong run at it would make better sense than dragging it out, if the supplies are available. Slovakia Covid tested half their pop over one weekend.

marno21

The UK plan above is ambitious and rightly so. May as well aim for the stars here.

I'm a much bigger fan of that type of plan than what we've seen in this country to date.

hmmm

marno21 wrote: »

The UK plan above is ambitious and rightly so. May as well aim for the stars here.

I'm a much bigger fan of that type of plan than what we've seen in this country to date.

Yep. I haven't seen much on the composition of the new vaccine task force. Hopefully it will be more than just a distribution discussion, and include a couple of psychologists and marketing people. Once we get beyond the vaccination of the directly vulnerable, there should be a big push to get people vaccinated.

lbj666

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Its going to be a cut and paste of the UK one. Everything will be a cut and paste. That's why they haven't revealed their plans, they were waiting to see what the UK do first.

They'll probably still get the cut and paste wrong!

Are they not just gonna piggyback on the EU plans and guidance

The UK opted out despite the offer hence more work to do.

JacksonHeightsOwn

If the British pull that ambitious plan off, then I'll tip my hat to them.

El Weirdo

marno21 wrote: »

The UK plan above is ambitious and rightly so. May as well aim for the stars here.

I'm a much bigger fan of that type of plan than what we've seen in this country to date.

Stars? They couldn't even reach the moon with their last plan.

ACitizenErased

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1329825567399677955?s=20

Russman

lbj666 wrote: »

Are they not just gonna piggyback on the EU plans and guidance

The UK opted out despite the offer hence more work to do.

I think its the nitty gritty that people fear they'll get wrong.

Where do they do the vaccinations ? Big mass vaccination hubs or mobile units or a mix of both ? What sites do they use ? Have they enough proper storage units for the Pfizer vaccine ? Have they a database with everyone on it ? How do they select the first batches of people ? Are staff trained in dispensing it ? Stuff like that. Its a massive, massive undertaking I think. A lot more difficult than ordering PPE that didn't fit, from China back in the spring.

funnydoggy

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1329825567399677955?s=20

Spain is 619% larger than Ireland.

Spain has 47 million people. We have 4.9 million people.

I'd nearly put money on it that they'll be ahead of us with vaccinations.

opinionated3

funnydoggy wrote: »

Spain is 619% larger than Ireland.

Spain has 47 million people. We have 4.9 million people.

I'd nearly put money on it that they'll be ahead of us with vaccinations.

If that happens it will be a national embarrassment but then again nothing should surprise the people of this country from witnessing shocking ineptitude over the decades

tobefrank321

funnydoggy wrote: »

Spain is 619% larger than Ireland.

Spain has 47 million people. We have 4.9 million people.

I'd nearly put money on it that they'll be ahead of us with vaccinations.

If we don't have all nursing home staff and residents vaccinated by end of February it will be a bit of a joke. First dose in Jan, second in Feb.

lbj666

Russman wrote: »

I think its the nitty gritty that people fear they'll get wrong.

Where do they do the vaccinations ? Big mass vaccination hubs or mobile units or a mix of both ? What sites do they use ? Have they enough proper storage units for the Pfizer vaccine ? Have they a database with everyone on it ? How do they select the first batches of people ? Are staff trained in dispensing it ? Stuff like that. Its a massive, massive undertaking I think. A lot more difficult than ordering PPE that didn't fit, from China back in the spring.

You would hope just this once that all parties are frank and open and swallow their pride over their concerns and capabilities about rolling this out with the Government at least if not in public, instead of hiding it for fear it makes them look bad or below the standard expected from a competent health service. Its obvious there could be many involved double jobbing between managing the epidemic and the vacine rollout .

This crisis is costing the economy far more per month than even with the most Platinum level Vaccine rollout possible. It is too important for the usual pre-emptive arse covering where risks are set so that other parties are to blame if something goes wrong, be that HSE, CMO Dept of Health, GPs, External experts consultants, external suppliers whoever. The public is going to have no patience for finger pointing.

If any country in Europe including UK starts falling noticeably behind others there will be war whereever that is

Miike

JTMan wrote: »

HSJ have an exclusive here on the NHS vaccine roll out plan.

The majority of the UK will be vaccinated by the end of March 2021.

- Vaccines first given to care home residents, social care workers and healthcare workers.
- Whole UK population to be eligible to receive the vaccine from the end of January 2021.

If they pull off half of this plan I'll be impressed!

funnydoggy

Got the flu jab in Boots today. She said it wasn't common for people my age (30) to get the vaccine, they usually dismiss the idea.

I'd imagine it'll be different with COVID, but damn I didn't really know it was so uncommon. I knew some people would turn away from it but I'm in a bubble where my friends all would get vaccinated.

Cork2021

Just reading up on what Hancock was saying in his press conference.
The way he’s talking it’s the oxford vaccine that’ll get them over the line going forward. That’s my taking from it. They’d only get a couple of million of any of the Pfizer vaccine come approval?
You’d think they’ll fast track approval especially when it’s there own medical agency doing the reviews