ACitizenErased wrote: » Rollout starting before end of year.https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/eu-agrees-deal-for-300m-doses-of-biontech-pfizer-s-covid-vaccine-1.4406320
Gael23 wrote: » How long will it take for the 2 million to be fully delivered?
Dempo1 wrote: » Seems to me Governments getting ahead of themselves, I get being prepared etc but NO vaccine has actually been fully approved, I'm more concerned about the fact our own government only discussing logistics now, just extraordinary. The harsh reality, which seems lost on some, is at best it will be 6 months before general public get access (this assuming approval) and we're not looking at just a quick GP visit. I just get a sense of "A vaccine has been found Hysteria setting in"
charlie14 wrote: » A rather strange way of looking at forward planning. I would have imagined the more time you have for planning the better chance you have of ironing out any kinks and getting it right when the time comes. There is a lot to be said for the old carpentry saying of measure twice, cut once.
ACitizenErased wrote: » Sinovac's trial is continuing in Brazil after the stoppage the other day.
Dempo1 wrote: » Forward planning would have entailed Mehole Martin announcing a strategy, O, about 6 months ago? Not two days after a Vaccine "might be approved" As utterly appalling as Trumps admin has been, they've had project warp speed being worked on for months, it won't help the shocking 240,000 that have died so far but may if vaccine approved reduce or slow cases.
charlie14 wrote: » Now you are just contradicting yourself. First governments are getting ahead of themselves with planning for vaccine roll-out, and now the Irish government should have been planning roll-out 6 months ago.
stephenjmcd wrote: » Yeah you'll need a well oiled supply chain here, does anyone in Dept of Health or HSE have experience in this is a big enough question, perhaps external planners will be required. Now if we had say 1 or 2 storage units in the country that could handle -80 you'd get a little more time in terms of arrival into the country then into that storage and plan in advance what doses are needed where and when, take them out and into cool boxes or suitable refrigeration units closer to the vaccine centre. 100% going to need defence forces assistance when it comes to transport, much like what happened with PPE, they were waiting at the stand in Dublin Airport and the plane was unloaded straight away and transported to central storage under Garda escort. Absolutely wont be a Monday to Friday thing. I've read the UK plans are likely to be 8am to 8pm 7 days a week over a number of months for the rollout. It'll certainly be interesting to see what the plan is when its made public. So far the line of well we're working on it, doesn't fill me with confidence when other countries have laid out what the plan is.
El Sueño wrote: » Great news. This one is seen as a good contender isn't it? Beating a dead horse here but I noticed that when the stoppage happened it was front and centre of RTE's homepage. Today I see nothing about the trial continuing. What a shocker.
AssetBacked2 wrote: » It's despicable how the media report on the data around covid. Remember when Italy was all over the news headlines when **** hit the fan? Now you wouldn't see many headlines about them. Why not continue to pump Italy since it was such a big deal at the beginning? Similarly, with Czech Republic, which is actually comical. They have been making headlines the last few weeks but the funny thing is that they are only experiencing their first wave now. This isn't them getting a bad second wave but is just them getting a second wave. That bit gets left out in the "EU experiencing covid second wave" hysteria. Journalists tend to operate in a bubble in Ireland and that bubble is twitter. I don't see any other outlet where they liaise, discuss and follow stories to the same extent as they do on twitter. But twitter is not representative of society in any great form, I even know you can block or hide people from discussing on your posts!
hmmm wrote: » No details, but the Chinese manufacturer Sinopharm is saying that the data from their trials is "better than expected".https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-vaccine-china-idUSKBN27R1Q1 It's feeling like day 2 of US election counting. One vaccine is in the bag, and we only need one of the others to come in to mean that we should see widespread availability in the middle of next year.
Voltex wrote: » Yes...Sinovac is an important vaccine from the point of view of diversity. Its a traditional attenuated approach. In theory is should incite a broader immune response than the mRNA versions that should be capable of dealing with escape mutants.
Hmmzis wrote: » Slight, but important nitpick - it's an inactivated type, not attenuated. Attenuated candiates are very few so far and they would take much longer to develop since one would very much like to be sure it's attenuated enough and still similar strucurally to be of use. Inactivated vaccines are inert, formaline and/or beta propoilactone is used to inactivate the viral particles. They are not all that immunogenic on their own but with a good adjuvant can induce some excellent antibody and T helper responses. They can't induce killer T cells (CD8+) as that requires the antigen to be inside a cell and then presented on the cell wall in MHC-I (mRNA, viral vectors, DNA and attenuated can and do induce these responses).
Voltex wrote: » Thanks for fixing that.. So would it be correct to say an inactivated vaccine would be better at inducing neutralising ABs that could deal with spike mutations?
Ronin247 wrote: » Does the news that people only have immunity for 2 to 6 months after having the virus change the whole vaccine situation?? If the actual "live" virus doesn't give immediate lasting immunity what difference would a vaccine provide?
hmmm wrote: » Billboard are reporting that Ticketmaster are working on a plan which will require either evidence of vaccination or a negative test to attend sports events or concerts.https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/touring/9481166/ticketmaster-vaccine-check-concerts-plan This should give people a lot more confidence attending large events like these.
AssetBacked2 wrote: » It's a bit too Orwellian in any event so presumably will get a big fat no from the public like that nonsensical Health Passport Ireland rubbish which utterly bombed when announced a few weeks ago.
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