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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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Today being Paddy Day 2020... when do you think we will have a ‘flu jab’ / pill / syrup that we can take to make us immune/ les likely to catch this 19 virus?.

Mod: The purpose of this thread is baked into the title - COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures - it's not a platform to push an anti vaccination agenda. If posters wish to discuss the perceived cons of vaccinations, or push various theories regarding 'the agenda' (whatever that is supposed to mean), open a thread elsewhere on it.

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ShineOn7

Forget which show I heard it on today, but there was a mention of getting the two shots from two different companies if needs be to help with distribution

Example:

- One jab from Pfizer
- And, 6 months later, your second jab from Oxford

Be grand?

Irish Stones

Hey guys, I wouldn't like to crush your hopes and dreams, but you should be more realistic than what I have read so far.
Pfizer announced that their vaccine is effective on 90% of volunteers, but also said that the Phase 3 is still in progress, not finished yet.
So, this is an announcement on what WILL BE available, not that the vaccine IS available.

We should receive 2 doses to get the immunity from the vaccine, an immunity that should be full 28 days after the first dose (this reminds me of the vaccination for dogs and cats).
Europe optioned 300 million doses, which means only 150 million people will have received the vaccine at the end of 2021, that is 1 every 3 persons will get the vaccine in the next 14 months. Not enough to even think of something like a herd immunity.
Pfizer also said they have no data on the duration of the immunity, which might be short. If we need to get a boost every year or two, it'll slow the distribution down a little.

Though the news is important and very positive and powerful, we are still in the dark tunnel.

I would be cautious with booking the next holidays

wadacrack

Very promising

https://twitter.com/florian_krammer/status/1325887332428505090

timsey tiger

Irish Stones wrote: »

Hey guys, I wouldn't like to crush your hopes and dreams, but you should be more realistic than what I have read so far.
Pfizer announced that their vaccine is effective on 90% of volunteers, but also said that the Phase 3 is still in progress, not finished yet.
So, this is an announcement on what WILL BE available, not that the vaccine IS available.

We should receive 2 doses to get the immunity from the vaccine, an immunity that should be full 28 days after the first dose (this reminds me of the vaccination for dogs and cats).
Europe optioned 300 million doses, which means only 150 million people will have received the vaccine at the end of 2021, that is 1 every 3 persons will get the vaccine in the next 14 months. Not enough to even think of something like a herd immunity.
Pfizer also said they have no data on the duration of the immunity, which might be short. If we need to get a boost every year or two, it'll slow the distribution down a little.

Though the news is important and very positive and powerful, we are still in the dark tunnel.

I would be cautious with booking the next holidays

I'm sure they can work to add capacity or licence it out if no other vaccine is approved.

timsey tiger

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Forget which show I heard it on today, but there was a mention of getting the two shots from two different companies if needs be to help with distribution

Example:

- One jab from Pfizer
- And, 6 months later, your second jab from Oxford

Be grand?

If it is ~90% on second dose, might be 70% on one, seems reasonable, what could go wrong.

stephenjmcd

timsey tiger wrote: »

I'm sure they can work to add capacity or licence it out if no other vaccine is approved.

I wouldn't even bother replying. Same poster has previously said they won't be taking any vaccine and has been posting opinion as fact for a while.

begbysback

Well that’s it folks, pandemic over, jab or 2 in a couple of weeks and it’s back to normal.

hmmm

Irish Stones wrote: »

Europe optioned 300 million doses, which means only 150 million people will have received the vaccine at the end of 2021, that is 1 every 3 persons will get the vaccine in the next 14 months. Not enough to even think of something like a herd immunity.

The EU has signed multiple deals with various manufacturers for hundreds of millions of doses of their vaccines. If the Pfizer vaccine works it's likely the Moderna one will as well. The Oxford and J&J vaccines use different technology, but there's no indication so far that they won't work. There's also EU deals or discussions with Sanofi and Novavax, but they're a little bit behind in terms of testing.

speckle

timsey tiger wrote: »

I'm sure they can work to add capacity or licence it out if no other vaccine is approved.

Are these supply chains new or will it impact on the prevention of other more dangerous childhood disease programs, especially in less wealthy nations?

Cork2021

Irish Stones wrote: »

Hey guys, I wouldn't like to crush your hopes and dreams, but you should be more realistic than what I have read so far.
Pfizer announced that their vaccine is effective on 90% of volunteers, but also said that the Phase 3 is still in progress, not finished yet.
So, this is an announcement on what WILL BE available, not that the vaccine IS available.

We should receive 2 doses to get the immunity from the vaccine, an immunity that should be full 28 days after the first dose (this reminds me of the vaccination for dogs and cats).
Europe optioned 300 million doses, which means only 150 million people will have received the vaccine at the end of 2021, that is 1 every 3 persons will get the vaccine in the next 14 months. Not enough to even think of something like a herd immunity.
Pfizer also said they have no data on the duration of the immunity, which might be short. If we need to get a boost every year or two, it'll slow the distribution down a little.

Though the news is important and very positive and powerful, we are still in the dark tunnel.

I would be cautious with booking the next holidays

Yawn!!

LAZYIRISH

I will most likely be locked up because I wont be taking this jab or the flu jab for that matter. I dont understand the hype and scare that people have for this viral infection.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Thierry12 wrote: »

Were those 9 people sick?

I believe so.

normanoffside wrote: »

Didn't the Chinese report 100% efficacy?
They said that of a group of Chinese workers in Huawei in Mexico 80 something got infected in an office but none of the 90+ who'd been vaccinated had been infected.

90+ is a tiny sample. I have no idea where the Chinese vaccines are atm. There was a number of candidates approved in China but that approval was very early in trials by Western standards.

I haven't read of a good source of efficacy from trials for Chinese vaccines.

Irish Stones

LAZYIRISH wrote: »

I will most likely be locked up because I wont be taking this jab or the flu jab for that matter. I dont understand the hype and scare that people have for this viral infection.

Watch out, you're going to be bitten

Irish Stones

Cork2021 wrote: »

Yawn!!

Was it that boring?

Cork2021

Irish Stones wrote: »

Was it that boring?

Maybe it’s you that’s boring..........

ShineOn7

Oh well

The sustained positivity was nice in this thread today while it lasted

November 9th 2020: a day I think we'll look back on as one when we turned a corner

VonLuck

ShineOn7 wrote: »

November 9th 2020: a day I think we'll look back on as one when we turned a corner

9/11 will go down in history for sure.

funnydoggy

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Oh well

The sustained positivity was nice in this thread today while it lasted

November 9th 2020: a day I think we'll look back on as one when we turned a corner

The positivity is still here ShineOn7

Irish Stones

begbysback wrote: »

Is it too late to buy Pfizer shares?

Maybe it is, but you could invest in shares of some syringe and needle manufacturers.
The latest news is that there will be a lack of these devices worldwide soon, so I believe that investing in syringes is the future.

Or we might stock up millions syringes now and sell them at a higher price in six months.

D.Q

The fact that the same people are still spewing nonsense over objectively positive news is actually a relief.

Irish Stones

Cork2021 wrote: »

Maybe it’s you that’s boring..........

Because I'm trying to look at things with some realism rather than optimism?

D.Q

Irish Stones wrote: »

Because I'm trying to look at things with some realism rather than optimism?

They are not mutually exclusive.

ACitizenErased

Irish Stones wrote: »

Because I'm trying to look at things with some realism rather than optimism?

You should know the facts before being 'realistic'.

begbysback

Trump on his way out and a vaccine on the way, not a bad end to 2020

charlie14

Irish Stones wrote: »

Because I'm trying to look at things with some realism rather than optimism?

So can I take it this optimism means you will be availing of this vaccine when it becomes available ?

Stheno

charlie14 wrote: »

So can I take it this optimism means you will be availing of this vaccine when it becomes available ?

You forgot the realism :pac:

Irish Stones

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I wouldn't even bother replying. Same poster has previously said they won't be taking any vaccine and has been posting opinion as fact for a while.

I had said that I'd rather take something that help me get rid of the lingering symptoms from the virus.
It doesn't seem to me the scientists are pouring any effort in treating the long covid patients at the moment. These patients have been totally forgotten.
I would have welcomed the vaccine 10 months ago, right now I personally have different needs.

charlie14

Irish Stones wrote: »

I had said that I'd rather take something that help me get rid of the lingering symptoms from the virus.
It doesn't seem to me the scientists are pouring any effort in treating the long covid patients at the moment. These patients have been totally forgotten.
I would have welcomed the vaccine 10 months ago, right now I personally have different needs.

Sounds as if you have already been infected and long Covid is not the myth some would like us to believe.

Irish Stones

charlie14 wrote: »

So can I take it this optimism means you will be availing of this vaccine when it becomes available ?

It would interesting to hear from those experts whether a person who has got the virus already really needs the vaccine rather than a treatment to get rid of those symptoms that won't go away.
At the moment I'd rather wish to stay better than to protect me against something that could not ever hit me again.
I wonder why this aspect of the issue hasn't been addressed properly yet.

stephenjmcd

Irish Stones wrote: »

I had said that I'd rather take something that help me get rid of the lingering symptoms from the virus.
It doesn't seem to me the scientists are pouring any effort in treating the long covid patients at the moment. These patients have been totally forgotten.
I would have welcomed the vaccine 10 months ago, right now I personally have different needs.

I'll easily be able to go back and find the post where you said it when I've some free time. Was along the lines of I've already had covid so why would I take a vaccine when I'm now immune. I remember it quite vividly as there was multiple replies & your reference to China virus

The ignorance is astounding