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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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Today being Paddy Day 2020... when do you think we will have a ‘flu jab’ / pill / syrup that we can take to make us immune/ les likely to catch this 19 virus?.

Mod: The purpose of this thread is baked into the title - COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures - it's not a platform to push an anti vaccination agenda. If posters wish to discuss the perceived cons of vaccinations, or push various theories regarding 'the agenda' (whatever that is supposed to mean), open a thread elsewhere on it.

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holdyerhorses

440Hertz wrote: »

I’d assume the most likely scenario is that you’ll have a vaccine certificate of some sort, and if you are vaccinated you’ll be able to travel, maybe go to gigs, actively take part in contact sport, go for the gym etc etc

Realistically, if we don’t take this seriously there’s a risk of a failure to reach herd immunity & a mutating virus that will render the whole programme pointless & then we would be into a grim situation of a coronavirus driven Dark Ages.

I suspect this is going to also end up with the most anti science countries & states and those who are further down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole doing a lot worse than those that are into facts and capable of weighing risks.

My take on it is that the risk of catching this virus or passing it onto vulnerable people like any of my family members and are either older or at risk far, far, far outweighs any theoretical risks of taking a well tested vaccine.

If you think about it: eating a medium rare steak carries risk. Cutting your toenails in the bath carries risk. When you make a cup of tea there’s a slight risk of scalding. When you buy a sandwich, you might face a tiny risk of food poisoning, but we do all of those things because those risks are absolutely tiny.

The risks of the vaccine would seem absolutely tiny whereas the risks of the coronavirus are significant either for you or someone else and causing massive disruption.

So I will be taking it!

We need to get people back to a situation where they can weigh risks in a sane way though, or we really are headed for a mess.

For a start "The risks of the vaccine would seem absolutely tiny" - nobody has any idea of this, to be honest.

Secondly, if vulnerable are vaccinated, the issue is solved. Simple as that. There is no need to vaccinate everyone. It's utterly pointless. It will become as routine as a flu vaccine, where those who might be at risk take it, end of.

Thirdly, you will still be able to pass on SARS-COV2 regardless if you have taken one of the vaccines or not, it is just a preventer of COVID-19 not transmission of the virus

3xh

holdyerhorses wrote: »

Life has just been so unfair on poor Donald, me, you're favourite president. Born into pure poverty, struggled to make his way in the world from nothing, and managed to make it all the way to the White House, and now this! Pfizer, the voting machines, the dead people voting, the deep state, all conspiring against me?! SO UNFAIR!

You’re missing the point due to your dislike of Trump. Your loss.

Here’s hoping President Harris fulfils your hopes then.

Hmmzis

iguana wrote: »

Slight issue with this in my house. My son turns 8 tomorrow and now doesn't know what to wish for when he blows out his candles as he had been planning to wish for a vaccine.

Some suggestions if you don't mind

- that all the current candidates prove to be safe and effective
- that distribution is swift and efficient with production capacity to support the demand
- that enough people take the shot(s) to end this pandemic

440Hertz

polesheep wrote: »

Not going to happen.

You’re already basically banned or severely restricted from travel to most Asian countries, New Zealand, Australia, the United States (which is a bit ironic, given the state the US is in, but even so the restriction applies) and face severe restrictions within Europe.

I can 100% see a situation where you will have to show proof of being vaccinated before travel or you won’t be entering.

The economic and social costs of not doing so are absolutely enormous.

This isn’t like any virus situation we’ve ever had to deal with in modern times, because we lived through a post 1950s golden age of both widely uptaken vaccines and sheer good luck.

1641

polesheep wrote: »

I'm much more optimistic than that. With the vulnerable vaccinated Covid is no big deal.

I may well have missed the detail (if there is any yet) but have the trials included " the vulnerable"? I suspect not - or, at least, not specifically and not in significant numbers. With many other vaccines it is "the vulnerable" who may be at most risk from possible side-effects. And, leaving this aside, it is they who are least likely to get a fully satisfactory response to vaccination.

polesheep

3xh wrote: »

I know it’s all funny etc but joke aside, do you really think Pfizer could not have announced this any sooner?

I’m of the view, simply, they could have. So why wouldn’t they? Rhetorical question.

You should be worried about that.

Spot on. I was watching a Hollywood film from 2018 the other night and a couple of the characters mocked Trump. As much as I despise Trump, I thought to myself, this isn't healthy.

holdyerhorses

440Hertz wrote: »

You’re already basically banned or severely restricted from travel to most Asian countries, New Zealand, Australia, the United States (which is a bit ironic, given the state the US is in, but even so the restriction applies) and face severe restrictions within Europe.

I can 100% see a situation where you will have to show proof of being vaccinated before travel or you won’t be entering.

The economic and social costs of not doing so are absolutely enormous.

What vaccinations are you required to show proof of for entry into USA?
What vaccinations are you required to show proof of for entry into Thailand, for eg?

Secondly, NOBODY knows how long the efficacy lasts and will protect you, let's assume 6 months - a global population being vaccinated every 6 months for the rest of eternity is (in your words) 100% not going to happen.

Lastly, there is no social or economic consequences because vaccinating the vulnerable removes the reason for bloody restrictions in the first place. It is incumbent on jurisdiction to encourage it's own citizens to be vaccinated to protect their health system. NOT travellers, because they won't affect it.

Again, this is a political talking point, aimed at sticking two fingers up the 'anti-vaxxers' - it has no merit in science or risk.

ShineOn7

440Hertz wrote: »

I can 100% see a situation where you will have to show proof of being vaccinated before travel or you won’t be entering.

Agreed

South East Asia, Australia and New Zealand seem to be looking at travel bubbles amongst themselves

They've worked their bollix off to keep Covid down, I don't see anyone getting in there without a Vaccine ticked passport

Thierry12

polesheep wrote: »

Spot on. I was watching a Hollywood film from 2018 the other night and a couple of the characters mocked Trump. As much as I despise Trump, I thought to myself, this isn't healthy.

Yeah we go on about bullying etc but treatment of Trump has been horrible

They are no better than him

polesheep

1641 wrote: »

I may well have missed the detail (if there is any yet) but have the trials included " the vulnerable"? I suspect not - or, at least, not specifically and not in significant numbers. With many other vaccines it is "the vulnerable" who may be at most risk from possible side-effects. And, leaving this aside, it is they who are least likely to get a fully satisfactory response to vaccination.

The trials wouldn't have included vulnerable people. The vaccine may not be entirely safe for them but that is a choice that they will have to make. Either way, the world will move on once the vaccine is released.

polesheep

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Agreed

South East Asia, Australia and New Zealand seem to be looking at travel bubbles amongst themselves

They've worked their bollix off to keep Covid down, I don't see anyone getting in there without a Vaccine ticked passport

And they are welcome to it. Just wait until their populations start complaining.

froog

3xh wrote: »

I know it’s all funny etc but joke aside, do you really think Pfizer could not have announced this any sooner?

I’m of the view, simply, they could have. So why wouldn’t they? Rhetorical question.

You should be worried about that.

why would they help a president win an election when he had exactly nothing to do with their vaccine?

holdyerhorses

polesheep wrote: »

And they are welcome to it. Just wait until their populations start complaining.

And their tourism sector is blocked off to USers and Europeans.

polesheep

froog wrote: »

why would they help a president win an election when he had exactly nothing to do with their vaccine?

They should in no way help a president to win an election, neither should they hinder him. Their decisions should not be politically motivated.

Gael23

polesheep wrote: »

The only part of that not currently happening is the pub. Christmas will be great!

Agreed, there wont be any office parties and New Year’s Eve will be a quiet one but everything else should be as normal.

D.Q

Thierry12 wrote: »

Yeah we go on about bullying etc but treatment of Trump has been horrible

They are no better than him

Can we not have this **** in this thread please.

440Hertz

polesheep wrote: »

And they are welcome to it. Just wait until their populations start complaining.

They seem absolutely delighted with the current situation and are swanning around having BBQs, going shopping, playing football, going to gigs, hanging out at big festivals in China, going to the bar etc etc while we are all stuck at home as we live in the exceptionalism ridden US/EU bit of the planet - the part that couldn’t get it’s act together and turned sanitary measures into a political football or implemented them in the most half-arsed ways possible.

holdyerhorses

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Agreed

South East Asia, Australia and New Zealand seem to be looking at travel bubbles amongst themselves

They've worked their bollix off to keep Covid down, I don't see anyone getting in there without a Vaccine ticked passport

Larf! They already can. They have to quarantine. And when their own population is protected, they are fine. I would assume given their stance on the whole thing, they are going to mandate vaccinations, and then their problem is solved.

And again, a rapid test to prove no SARS-COV2 on dept. and arrival and no need for vaccinations - you are no risk to their health care system. And given that there is no clue of lenght of efficacy, then this would be the most logical and prudent route.

Kerry25x

I imagine that this vaccine hasn't yet been tested on pregnant women, anyone have any idea?
We were planning to start trying from next month on but I'd actually delay it for a couple months more if I thought I could get a vaccine first, I'm a health care worker so should be fairly high up on the queue. I'll just play it by ear for now I guess. Very exciting news regardless!

ShineOn7

polesheep wrote: »

And they are welcome to it. Just wait until their populations start complaining.

Bali/Indonesia are one to watch there

Something like 60% of Bali's GDP depends on Tourism. That's feckin' enormous

1641

polesheep wrote: »

The trials wouldn't have included vulnerable people. The vaccine may not be entirely safe for them.

May not be entirely safe or effective.

And what might "entirely" safe mean? Some vulnerable groups cannot take existing vaccines. It is not a choice for them. And some who can take it show limited response.

It is for these reason that it is so important that the "non-vulnerable" take such vaccines so as to develop population herd immunity.

CoronaBlocker

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Vaccine drinks on you so!

1800hrs today - in a pub of your choosing :cool:

polesheep

440Hertz wrote: »

They seem absolutely delighted with the current situation and are swanning around having BBQs, going shopping, playing football, going to gigs, hanging out at big festivals in China, going to the bar etc etc while we are all stuck at home as we live in the exceptionalism ridden US/EU bit of the planet - the part that couldn’t get it’s act together and turned sanitary measures into a political football.

Many of them want to travel to Europe and many of them that are here want to travel over there. They are living in a very unnatural situation just like the rest of us.

funnydoggy

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

1800hrs today - in a pub of your choosing :cool:

Can I come?

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3xh wrote: »

You’re missing the point due to your dislike of Trump. Your loss.

Here’s hoping President Harris fulfils your hopes then.

Rather petty stuff dragging this sort of political point-scoring into a vaccine thread. Particularly on a most encouraging day.

CoronaBlocker

iguana wrote: »

Slight issue with this in my house. My son turns 8 tomorrow and now doesn't know what to wish for when he blows out his candles as he had been planning to wish for a vaccine.

He can still wish for the others to succeed and a fast roll-out of them to all!

lbj666

Big question, if Pfizer say 90% reduction in infections, does that mean the 10% that do get infected can still get the same severity of the disease or would it be diminished also, its kind of a can you get half (or 10%) pregnant sort of question.

I mentioned before that the mortality rate here for +65 is around 1 in 8 probably improving to 1 in 10, if the vaccine just improves that to 1 in 100, its still significant an not reason to let the virus run rampant.

440Hertz

polesheep wrote: »

Many of them want to travel to Europe and many of them that are here want to travel over there. They are living in a very unnatural situation just like the rest of us.

They’re not though and they increasingly don’t want to travel to Europe, the US or Latin America etc until this is resolved.

The world doesn’t resolve around trips to Paris, London, Dublin or New York. There are plenty of places to go to and business will go on.

I’ve family in both NZ and Australia and in general they’re quite happy to be able to just enjoy being able to go on with normal life.

I’ve also got in-laws (via a sibling) in China and by all reports (and there are daily long video chats) things are very much back to normal. People are travelling around, doing touristy things, going to gigs, going to bars, swimming pools, shopping centres, going to the office as they usually did, everything is open again more or less as normal.

There’s some degree of precaution, but it’s extremely mild.

We’re the ones in the bad situation ans we need to get over the myopia and exceptionalism.

Cordell

holdyerhorses wrote: »

Er, i know, that was the point i was making.

Yes, I am. Google is your friend. One of them was settled in our High Court last week.

Google is my friend indeed, that case took years to settle in court, not to show symptoms.

polesheep

1641 wrote: »

May not be entirely safe or effective.

And what might "entirely" safe mean? Some vulnerable groups cannot take existing vaccines. It is not a choice for them. And some who can take it show limited response.

It is for these reason that it is so important that the "non-vulnerable" take such vaccines so as to develop population herd immunity.

Obviously there are those who will not be able to take the vaccine. The point I was making is that once the vulnerable in general has had the vaccine the world will move on from restrictions. In time, sufficient numbers may take the vaccine to ensure herd immunity, but things will move on regardless.