Deleted User wrote: » It's super-important to remember that the truth barely matters any more, particular in the case of Trump supporters. The way that the economy was before Covid was fine. Unemployment down and all that. Even without Covid however it was a time-bomb with a ludicrous deficit and little room left for growth. It was a question of timing. Kinda similar with 9/11, things were about to get bad but there was a catastrophe that could mask the underlying numbers so once recovery started "Ah sure it wasn't the government's fault". The next 2 years will be incredibly rough with little room for increasing spending. Congress will be split and where will there no way to increase taxes. The map should be excellent for the Dems in 2022 but if we're in the middle of a depression then it won't be.
Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: » I'd contend that Trump got a lot of votes from business owners voting in their own self-interest. I don't remember the numbers off-hand but iirc they weren't great (despite his own proclamations to the contrary) before covid. Covid just laid everything bare.
bennyl10 wrote: » Trump to speak at 11..
murpho999 wrote: » Of course they have no evidence as there simply is none. No good legal team can do anything about that. But remember Trump not a normal person. He's narcissistic and megalomaniac. Sure he even said he wouldn't leave the White House if he lost. Apparently it's Trump himself who's pushing his people to pursue legal avenues. He'll fight anyway he can but he's running out of options.
murpho999 wrote: » He does have a strategy but it doesn't mean it's good or will work.He has Rudy Guiliani heading up his legal team.
Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: » But he will still have a massive, loyal following. Nearly 100% of the Rep candidates he endorsed won iirc. I think I remember reading that that was some sort of record? I never read too much into it so open to correction. EDIT: I should clarify in Rep candidates in Rep races. I'd contend that Trump got a lot of votes from business owners voting in their own self-interest. I don't remember the numbers off-hand but iirc they weren't great (despite his own proclamations to the contrary) before covid. Covid just laid everything bare.
jasonb wrote: » I don't have the energy to stay awake late tonight, and I can't help but think that Biden will pass 270.during the night!
jasonb wrote: » Georgia down to 9.5k and Pennsylvania down to 90k
Foxtrol wrote: » I disagree. They gave away their plan to try to steal the election by refusing to accept the results and use the courts but never bothered to get a competent legal or PR team together and someone to head the battle, like Bush had in Florida. Reports that Kushner was calling people the night of the election. They are going to court but doing so with no evidence and being thrown out straight away in nearly every case. It might change but so far it has been pathetic.
murpho999 wrote: » Trump may be a lot of things but hes not stupid. He knew months ago that this election would be difficult. Why do you think he claimed months ago that postal votes could be fraudulent? Then as soon as things start slipping he has a legal strategy ready straight away.
everlast75 wrote: » Looks to me like self preservation is kickin in for the GOP. Trump is only useful while president. They need to distance themselves from him while he self destructs
Deleted User wrote: » If the next election is a 2-horse race the GOP will win whether Trump is the candidate or not. I mean seriously, if it hadn't been for Covid it's pretty clear Trump would've had this one in the bag. With the recession coming and the deficit ballooned before that happened the US is going to be a fiscal basket case and voters punish whoever's in power for that.
Retr0gamer wrote: » Donald Trump with the advantage of being the incumbent has managed to blow it during this election. The GOP will drop him like a hot snot. He won't be back. I expect he will probably leave the country to a country with no extradition to the states afterwards to avoid the up coming convictions. The GOP will be looking for someone else to bring them back into relevance.
Water John wrote: » He has no legal strategy, just flailing. Every court they have approached they've lost.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Was thinking about that myself but I wouldn't be so sure. Turnout was ridiculously high this time around for both parties. So Trump has a huge number of supporters, more than last time around. Will the Democratic turnout stay as high next time? On top of the we have a huge recession coming. People talking about Harris in 2024 make me laugh because in a 2-horse race in 2024 the Democrats are not going to get near 50%. Depressed Dem turnout from a recession, huge Trump support and general protest votes because of the recession and I could easily see none of the 3 getting 270 in the electoral college.
Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: » https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1324454049014521857 Don Jr with a bit more subtely but there looks to be an internal war brewing in the Republican party. It will be very interesting to hear what Trump says in the coming days.
Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: » You're giving Trump too much credit there - he is no where near clever enough to have come up with that plan.
Deleted User wrote: » Was thinking about that myself but I wouldn't be so sure. Turnout was ridiculously high this time around for both parties. So Trump has a huge number of supporters, more than last time around. Will the Democratic turnout stay as high next time? On top of the we have a huge recession coming. People talking about Harris in 2024 make me laugh because in a 2-horse race in 2024 the Democrats are not going to get near 50%. Depressed Dem turnout from a recession, huge Trump support and general protest votes because of the recession and I could easily see none of the 3 getting 270 in the electoral college.
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