hmmm wrote: » Preliminary studies suggest that this virus exhibits decreased susceptibility to neutralizing antibodies from several people with a history of infection. [...] and involve a risk of impaired immunity to these after over COVID-19 infection, which is important for the individual and for herd immunity in society."
Dressoutlet wrote: » So does this mink situation mean we could all end up worse off. I know they say it's a threat to the vaccine but will the mutated virus be a threat to humans as SarsCov2 is.
Irish Stones wrote: » Just out of curiosity... When this pandemic began, we were promptly told to wash our hands often, wear a mask, keep distances, avoid gatherings, not to travel unless necessary, and so on. We also had lockdowns and closures announced like, for instance, "as from tomorrow all shops will be closed for a month". Alright. What I can't figure out, though, is if/when the pandemic ends (in a couple of years or a decade, we don't know) how we will be told that we can go back to do roughly what we used to do before? I mean, would it be something like: "Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your beloved President/Taoiseach/Prime Minister speaking. I'm glad to announce to you all that as from midnight tomorrow, no masks, hand washing, distances will ever be necessary again. Rejoice!". Or what? How do you imagine an end to this existence of restrictions and such a transition to a different life?
stephenjmcd wrote: » Slow burner, you reduce restrictions gradually bit by bit over a period of time. Its not a lightswitch that'll be all reversed overnight. By slowly reducing restrictions its not a big bang, people gradually resume normal life while still being cautious. The washing your hands and cough etiquette won't change, thats just good hygiene anyway. When vaccine rollout begins and there's less pressure on hospitals as a result then the let up begins. This has / is only ever been about hospital capacity
dominatinMC wrote: » Well said, I get the impression a lot of people are expecting a singular, pivotal moment, at which we will be told that the virus is defeated and we can return to normal - something like VE Day. As you say, the reality is a slow, gradual, deliberate and systematic reduction in restrictions over time until normality is resumed. Hopefully by this time next year!
stephenjmcd wrote: » The washing your hands and cough etiquette won't change, thats just good hygiene anyway.
Irish Stones wrote: » But I don't think that some habits we have adopted will be cancelled, even later on. Like hugging, and shaking, getting in close contact. I believe people will be always wary of abolishing this precautions for good.
Irish Stones wrote: » Well, these two specific things were in place even before this pandemic.
iguana wrote: » Yes, just like after the Spanish Flu pandemic people stopped touching each other forever.
Hardyn wrote: » As it stands not really no. It's not something to panic about but it's not something to downplay either. Just to be clear the virus showed reduced susceptibility to existing antibodies. It did not show antibodies were ineffective and they were very clear on this. It did not affect cellular immunity either. The issue is it's hard to predict the long term implications if it mutates further. The Danes have decided they're not taking any chances and have gone with the nuclear option.
Our data indicate that the anti-SARS-CoV-2 memory B cell response evolves during the first 6 months after infection, with accumulation of Ig somatic mutations, and production of antibodies with increased neutralizing breadth and potency.
stephenjmcd wrote: » Really ? How many people would you have seen cough into their elbow and pay as much attention to washing their hands regularly. I highly doubt people were washing there hands countless times and day as they are now and using sanitizer multiple times a day.
Irish Stones wrote: » Coughing in your elbow is wrong, as it has been stated by WHO itself a few months ago. And I think that it was wrong even if they didn't mention it. As for washing hands, in a previous post of mine I already wrote that in my country (Italy) washing our hands frequently has been a habit for several years now. Many people do that on a regular basis, most of us do it as soon as they come home from outside (along with removing our shoes and wear more comfortable and surely cleaner slippers). And, I'd say, 99.9% of us do that before eating. It's what remained as a lesson after the epidemic in the 1970's.
VonLuck wrote: » How is coughing into your elbow wrong? Genuinely curious as this is what I've always done, even pre-pandemic.
Irish Stones wrote: » Coughing, or sneezing, in your elbow leaves whatever you cough out in the fold of your elbow or clothes, and you carry that stuff along with you wherever you go, later you might touch your elbow for whatever reason and then have that "stuff" on your hands too and touch other surfaces, thus spreading what you have coughed out. At the end of the day it's nearly like having coughed straight in your hands. I think it was August or early September when WHO said that coughing/sneezing in your elbow was to be avoided.
Witcher wrote: » The WHO never said that.
ACitizenErased wrote: » There's a big line between you posting something conspiracy like and posting simply dangerous content. I think this crosses into dangerous content.
Irish Stones wrote: » The WHO said not to cough in elbows, the explanation is what I think it might be the reason. Would you say it's wrong? Would you say that your elbow is safe after you sneezed and coughed in a couple of times a day?
Irish Stones wrote: » Why are you saying that? Because I said that over here it's a habit to wash our hands frequently and before eating?
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