LeoB wrote: » Rotating players. Put out a core of 8/9 players. Kerry, Dublin, Tipp, Kilkenny do it. Players get disillusioned if they dont get a chance, a fair chance. It can chip away at them. Their confidence grows when they get serious game time. You keep your big players fresh as well.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Like throwing a group of lads together for an FBD game and casting some of them onto the scrap heap based on a game like that is silly to me. Reminds me of underage trials back in the day for county. Sure everyone played totally as individuals so often good players were ignored.
LeoB wrote: » Not at all. Mayo always to me field strong teams in the league. However are they tiring players out? We all know what the star players can do and unless they are injured will be playing in championship. Every inter county standard player needs game time and young lads need to be introduced. Be that FBD or NFL. No point giving them half an hour ear mark 2 or 3 and go with them. The way teams play now is far removed from old days individuals doing their own thing.
Green&Red wrote: » Agreed Parlance, not sure where this idea that we don’t blood new players is coming from. It’s been one of Horan’s strongest attributes in his second reign and I wouldn’t be a massive fan Taking the Monaghan game as an example MAYO: Rob Hennelly; Lee Keegan, Oisín Mullin, Pádraig O’Hora; Jordan Flynn, Michael Plunkett, Paddy Durcan; Stephen Coen, Aidan O’Shea; Diarmuid O’Connor, Ryan O’Donoghue, Fergal Boland; Kevin McLoughlin, Darren Coen, James Durcan. Subs: Tommy Conroy for Boland (H-T), Keith Higgins for J Durcan (57), Paul Towey for D Coen (64), Eoin O’Donoghue for Plunkett (68), James Carr for R O’Donoghue (70+3). 9/10 of the starters wouldn’t be on our strongest 15 and probably 3 of the subs
seligehgit wrote: » Not trying to be too pedantic but of course by definition being so.:) There's a recycling of some players previously tried.Michael Plunkett,Fergal Boland,Darren Coen,James Durcan are hardly fresh blood.It could be argued Eoin O Donoghue,James Carr are under utilised for whatever reasons (injury or otherwise). I certainly would not be arguing for a gung ho attitude to introducing new players. The introduction of Tommy Conroy, Oisin Mullin into the fray are no brainers but TBF to James Horan his introduction of Eoghan Mc Loughlin and Mark Moran, ditto Paul Towey's cameo the last day will hopefully pay dividends in the longer term.Ryan O Donoghue is such an intelligent footballer.Hope Jordan Flynn gets further opportunities if he gets a handle on his on field discipline. His failure to blood a new goalkeeper is a glaring blind spot. I'd be happier if a goalkeeper for the future was given game time as opposed to the number 2.
PARlance wrote: » I would give Rochford a lot of credit as well. I think he got the ball rolling. When he took over we were going into big games with the likes of Dublin and our bench wasn't deep enough to compete. I think he seen that and started the ball rolling on beefing up the squad. He had the benefit of the strong u21 team from 2016 but he did a very good job of starting to get them integrated imo.
Audioslaven wrote: » Its funny that you see Rochford as starting that. I actually think the opposite and was part of his down fall. He basically used most of the players from the Horan V1 time. It's only when Horan came back that I have seen some new quality players pushing through. I was listening to John Giles on soccer one evening when he was talking about managers stressing about bringing on new young players and that it was BS really. Managers have a slight view to the future but they are really only focused on the here and now. It reminded me of the Rochford era
Blackjack wrote: » I think Rochford really did start that and he blooded a lot of players in his time. this post by Parlance back in 2017 has a lot of detail from that point in timehttps://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104256276&postcount=1018 He also brought in a number of others like Nally, Kirby, Newcombe got a shot too as I recall. If there were better players available and untried I don't believe anyone was shouting about it at the time.
seligehgit wrote: » There's seems to be some grounds to the rumour re the reconfiguration (geographical ) of the league setup. Primarily to reduce travel as much as possible.
PARlance wrote: » Ya it's something that he doesn't get the credit he deserves imo. I think his input as a manager is generally overlooked to a certain degree. Maybe because he wasn't a big name/ didn't have a huge playing career and in turn didn't have that aura that goes along with it. But in a relatively short time we went from a team with very little options from the bench (I think people easily forget this) to a team that could bring on 5 or so subs to go toe to toe with Dublins bench (albeit not with the attacking strength in depth), and using that strength in depth to get us over the line in many big and not so big games. Gavin changed the way subs were used and Rochford helped us get very close to a similar set up imo.
Blackjack wrote: » Yep. I think people also forgot that he still is (I believe) the only man to win the All Ireland Senior Club Championship as a player and as a manager.
spakman wrote: » Rochford is a great manager in terms of match ups and gameplans. 2017 final was most completr Mayo performance I've ever seen. But bringing new players through was a weakness imo. Even in the league he kept playing the "big" players, there was very little chance given to new players to make a mark. And that's ultimately what cost us in those finals, we had nobody to bring off the bench that could make an impact. How could they - they had hardly played any football!
Blackjack wrote: » Not sure I’d agree with that. I recall he brought on Kirby, Drake and Loftus in that final, all of whom had plenty of game time during the year. I don’t think it was the lack of game time that impacted the subs rather the quality of what we had available compared to our opponents.
spakman wrote: » And why had we a lack of quality on the bench compared to now? Is it just that Horan got lucky (again) and came along when a new crop of youngsters were ready to make the break through? Anyway, I don't want to spend time running down Rochford, I think he's a class act and would love to see him back involved with Mayo in some capacity.
Audioslaven wrote: » 100%. While rochford may have brought players in, he never got them to a level where they added value. Horan is more open to youth but this time he has to as the age profile is alot older. We have three examples this year where players have come in and shown value to the team. Time will tell if they really make it but he is not afraid to do this unlike Rochford.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Those looking for championship debutants have them, seven in total is my estimate from that team. Mayo team v Leitrim: David Clarke; Oisin Mullin, Stephen Coen, Lee Keegan; Paddy Durcan, Rory Brickenden, Eoghan McLaughlin; Mattie Ruane, Conor Loftus; Bryan Walsh, Ryan O’Donoghue, Jordan Flynn; Tommy Conroy, Aidan O’Shea, Cillian O’Connor.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Is this Brickendens first senior start?
flasher0030 wrote: » That's not a fair comparison. If we take the new players that Horan has at his disposal this year, it's exceptional - Oisin Mullen, Eoin McLaighlean, Tommy Conroy, Mark Moran. James Horan has nothing to do with their development. They carved that out themselves through their club performances. It's not like Horan unearthed them. Every dog on the street was aware of these guys potential over the past 2 years. Now compare that to the couple of players named in a few posts previously that Rochford had to bring on in Croke Park - Danny Kirby, David Drake and Conor Loftus. There is no comparison. Kirby and Drake are never going to make a telling contribution to a match at intercounty level. And Loftus has no pace for a forward, and therefore will not do damage against a high performing team like Dublin or Kerry.
