tobefrank321 wrote: » At a certain stage this thing has to be brought to an end and once the vulnerable and healthcare workers are vaccinated normality will have to return. Otherwise we won't have an economy left.
hmmm wrote: » Normality will return when we know hospitals won't be over-run. Even if we vaccinate all the vulnerable and healthcare workers, we are told it will take more than that. In particular, a vaccine is rarely 100% effective so large numbers of the vulnerable remain in danger. I don't know why the message that you have to control Covid to have a better economy hasn't got through to some people yet. Even the Financial Times had a very good article (and graph) up saying the same thing last week. The countries that got control of Covid and had fewer deaths did far better than those who didn't. Saying things like "open up" and let the virus spread is not going to help the economy, the facts show that it will hurt it. What will get us back to normality is a large take-up of the vaccine by everyone, vulnerable or not-vulnerable. We don't know yet what the % will need to be, but it sounds like it might be about 60-75% at a minimum.
iguana wrote: » An enormous amount of people have autoimmune conditions. I get psoriasis on my scalp when I'm under extreme stress. I had tiny endometrial growths on my right ovary. Both are auto-immune conditions but I'd be very surprised if I get called up any earlier for a vaccine because of them.
astrofool wrote: » That was mostly to prevent a run or hoarding of masks being used by medical personnel, not because they weren't effective. A lot of people are too stupid to realise this (unfortunately some state leaders also fall into this).
virginmediapls wrote: » Ah, an echo chamber of RTE hatred. How refreshing. I fully support the lockdown and understand the need for it, and the continued need for it. I don't enjoy it. I wish it was over. Hopefully, when it is, none of my friends or relatives will be dead because of it. If that is the case, I will be very thankful.
Redordeadqwwer wrote: » What about this cure from Venezuela then? I'm assuming it's not true.
Thierry12 wrote: » Venezuela have the cure
drunkmonkey wrote: » This is very strange, the flu has disappeared but we have covid instead and the Venezuelans are using an anti flu drug to combat covid and calling it a cure. This is Avifavir i'm assuming.
dominatinMC wrote: » I agree. The end game is when the virus is sufficiently suppressed, so that the health service can function as normal whilst also having the capacity to deal with any covid patients. I think this is what the experts mean when they say "living with the virus". It's fairly obvious that the disease cannot be eradicated now, and a zero covid policy probably isn't a feasible option for us given the NI border. However, the question remains - at what point do we settle for an adequate approach, rather than seeking a perfect solution? Some are still stating that we will be living with social distancing for a long time, even with a vaccine. That's fine, when looking at the problem from a purely medical perspective. However, social distancing is destroying economies (not to mention the wellbeing of the general public) and at what point do we (or more precisely, the government) decide to abandon it. For instance, if the vaccine has an efficacy of 75% and an uptake is 75%, then that is 56% protection - will that be considered enough? I guess we will have to wait and see how that translates to hospital admissions. Because, as cold and callous as it sounds, at some point the risk to the economy will exceed the risk to public health, and a decision will have to be made to move on. I can only see these voices growing louder as we move into 2021.
Redordeadqwwer wrote: » The president has said they done a study of some sort but absolutely zero details only it lasted 6 months. I won't be getting my hopes up on this one.
Gael23 wrote: » it will only stop people becoming seriously ill.
Irish Stones wrote: » So they lied and knew they were lying. And put people through unnecessary risks. There was a lack of masks because the production plans of many countries focused on useless things, rather than what was needed. For instance, Italy where I'm based. We'd rather produce food and fashion rather than masks and respirators. And it proved wrong. And even when they/we realised it, it took months to convert or start new productions. We're smart, aren't we?
Thierry12 wrote: » Yeah but I think they are adding high dose ursolic acid as well or that could be in the avifavir Avifavir was in stage 2/3 trials in Russia Cleared 62.5% of Covid19 in 4 days in patients according to below Seems to workhttps://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1176/5890024https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/120478/60000-doses-of-avifavir-a-covid-19-treatment-to-be-delivered-in-june/amp/
Micky 32 wrote: » That would be brilliant if it does.
astrofool wrote: » To put it in simple terms for some people who don't understand. I have 10 apples I need masks masks take a few months to create the supplychain of materials and get distributed In the meantime, I sell the apples, and try and ensure the masks I have go where is needed to avoid a panicAlso ensure everyone that masks are ineffective and unnecessary. Then bang. Do a full 180 and say they’re VERY necessary and place fines if they don’t wear them When masks have been manufactured, I start selling them as well Does it need to be dumbed down any more?
Gael23 wrote: » Anything to be read into this?https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-first-covid-vaccines-likely-to-be-imperfect-and-might-not-prevent-infection-says-taskforce-boss-12116593
Gael23 wrote: » Of course it would but it won’t get the works back to normal
jackboy wrote: » Total change in spin now as the vaccines are close to release. A few weeks ago the pharma companies and a lot of experts were bigging up the vaccines as a solution to the pandemic. Now that they are close to release everything has changed. The same people are now dampening down expectations and saying that vaccines will be just another tool against the virus and won’t end the current restrictions and social distancing.
Sconsey wrote: » It would be great if you could provide a single example.
