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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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Today being Paddy Day 2020... when do you think we will have a ‘flu jab’ / pill / syrup that we can take to make us immune/ les likely to catch this 19 virus?.

Mod: The purpose of this thread is baked into the title - COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures - it's not a platform to push an anti vaccination agenda. If posters wish to discuss the perceived cons of vaccinations, or push various theories regarding 'the agenda' (whatever that is supposed to mean), open a thread elsewhere on it.

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Cordell

Definitely at risk for the flu vaccine fwiw.

Steve F

Hmmzis wrote: »

I think you would probably be among the first few groups to be vaccinated. Hypertension and age 55+ would class you as "at risk".

Jeez...I'm a bit worried now

Gael23

Hmmzis wrote: »

I think you would probably be among the first few groups to be vaccinated. Hypertension and age 55+ would class you as "at risk".

I’d guess there would be a priority list of high risk. I have an autoimmune disease so would hope to be up on the list I’m only 29 though

Professor Moriarty

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I thought hcw would be first wave while at risk would be second wave.

We will see. Who knows.

25% of medical staff in Liege (Belgium) are off sick with Covid-19. Things are so bad there now, doctors are being asked to work even if they are diagnosed with Covid-19.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

25% of medical staff in Liege (Belgium) are off sick with Covid-19. Things are so bad there now, doctors are being asked to work even if they are diagnosed with Covid-19.

Medical staff have been getting it hard alright.

Interestingly our medical staff are around 1 in 6 cases at the moment compared to 1 in 5 a few weeks ago and 1 in 4 a few months ago.

I guess this is a sign our hospitals have been getting some stuff right.

It also clearly shows how health care workers deserve priority for any vaccines that become available.

[Deleted User]

Steve F wrote: »

Question.
57 year old Male.
Physically active
Take Hypertension medication.
Would I be classed as "at risk" and be included in the first wave of vaccinations?
Genuine question this

The UK have a provisional priority list drawn up which might be worth looking at:

1.older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers
2.all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers
3.all those 75 years of age and over
4.all those 70 years of age and over
5.all those 65 years of age and over
6.high-risk adults under 65 years of age
7.moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age
8.all those 60 years of age and over
9.all those 55 years of age and over
10.all those 50 years of age and over
11.rest of the population (priority to be determined)

tobefrank321

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I see RTE are running a story saying 2022 before enough vaccine doses available for everyone
"There will not be sufficient doses of Covid-19 vaccines for the entire population before the end of 2021," a European Commission official told diplomats from EU states in a closed-door meeting"

..... you don't say, did they expect entire populations to get it in 2021. It'll be Q3/4 before young people would even be offered a vaccine.

Christ it doesn't take a genius to figure out that you wont get entire populations vaccinated in 2021 nor do you need to.

The level of journalism and research is in the gutter.

The question is do you keep up restrictions and lockdowns once all the at risk groups are vaccinated.

Once you lift most restrictions its likely to rip through the young and healthy and most will be infected within 6 months to a year. Governments may well be tempted to keep restrictions in place until at least 50% of the young are vaccinated. And by young I mean anyone under 55!

CIARAN_BOYLE

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The question is do you keep up restrictions and lockdowns once all the at risk groups are vaccinated.

Once you lift most restrictions its likely to rip through the young and healthy with most infected within 6 months to a year. Governments may well be tempted to keep restrictions in place until at least 50% of the young are vaccinated. And by young I mean anyone under 55!

It depends on what a vaccine does.

There's a lot of talk about vaccines merely reducing symptoms. If so it may increase asymptomatic transmission.

Even if only the young are unvacinated it could go out of control in the population.

Dressoutlet

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The question is do you keep up restrictions and lockdowns once all the at risk groups are vaccinated.

Once you lift most restrictions its likely to rip through the young and healthy with most infected within 6 months to a year. Governments may well be tempted to keep restrictions in place until at least 50% of the young are vaccinated. And by young I mean anyone under 55!

The thing is, despite the nannying they do saying they want to keep us all safe, they know well the vast majority of under 55s will not be seriously ill and overwhelm the hospitals, so nope, they won't give a shiny ****3 if it rips through the young, this in turn creates a herd immunity type situation. The very very few fatalities will not be worth closing down for

Gael23

I just don’t see a point in taking a vaccine after that discussion on prime time.

If nothing changes it’s not worth the risk

dominatinMC

Weather is getting worse, nights are getting longer and RTE (Prime Time) with a report on how there is no end in sight to the pandemic, even with a vaccine. It's the hope that kills you.

tobefrank321

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

It depends on what a vaccine does.

There's a lot of talk about vaccines merely reducing symptoms. If so it may increase asymptomatic transmission.

Even if only the young are unvacinated it could go out of control in the population.

That's very likely to happen.

With the vaccine, deaths, hospitalisations and ICU admissions will drop massively.

It seems pointless to impose restrictions to stop it spreading among the young who over whelmingly will have mild symptoms.

The fear mongers will come into their own at that stage, and the likes of RTE will continue their daily articles about long covid.

We are never going to vaccinate everyone or even come close.

Gael23

tobefrank321 wrote: »

That's very likely to happen.

With the vaccine, deaths, hospitalisations and ICU admissions will drop massively.

It seems pointless to impose restrictions to stop it spreading among the young who over whelmingly will have mikd symptoms.

The fear mongers will come into their own at that stage, and the likes of RTE will continue their daily articles about long covid.

We are never going to vaccinate everyone or even come close.

According to those guys just interviewed on prime time that means we live like this for good

leahyl

dominatinMC wrote: »

Weather is getting worse, nights are getting longer and RTE (Prime Time) with a report on how there is no end in sight to the pandemic, even with a vaccine. It's the hope that kills you.

That guy on video-link on Prime Time calling it vaccine+ ;in other words there will still be restrictions even with a vaccine, sure what’s the point of life if that’s what’s going to happen *eye roll - this is just never ending :-(

rovers_runner

leahyl wrote: »

That guy on video-link on Prime Time calling it vaccine+ ;in other words there will still be restrictions even with a vaccine, sure what’s the point of life if that’s what’s going to happen *eye roll - this is just never ending :-(

Some of those b*stards are actually enjoying this so much they don't want it end.

One the vaccine is widely available and numbers are minimal there will be people marching the streets if they persist with this nonsense.

DSN

dominatinMC wrote: »

Weather is getting worse, nights are getting longer and RTE (Prime Time) with a report on how there is no end in sight to the pandemic, even with a vaccine. It's the hope that kills you.

Ffs & it's the likes of my Mum home on her own listening to this. She's clinging onto a vaccine hope to get some of her life back before it's too late for her to enjoy it.

marno21

We cannot afford restrictions long term. This is a non-debatable fact.

Providing healthcare to an aging population with long term conditions was challenging pre-Covid. We cannot continue past 2021 locking down the country and providing the level of healthcare we provide today. Something has to give somewhere.

It's time now the airwaves were stopped being filled with academics living in a bubble. The Covid-19 restrictions we have lived with since March cannot last more than another few months before people start properly losing the run of themselves. Restrictions for life my arse.

JacksonHeightsOwn

Gael23 wrote: »

According to those guys just interviewed on prime time that means we live like this for good

if this is it, genuinely this is existence from now on, then i dread to see the suicide rates in 5 years times.

Who the **** would want this for the rest of their lives??????

tobefrank321

The vulnerable population and healthcare workers will be priority but only account for about 1 million of our population. It could take a further 9 months to vaccinate the rest and there's no chance there will be 100% take up.

At a certain stage this thing has to be brought to an end and once the vulnerable and healthcare workers are vaccinated normality will have to return.

Otherwise we won't have an economy left.

Gael23

Well it is the case that Smallpox is the only disease in the modern world to have been entirely eliminated

ShineOn7

dominatinMC wrote: »

Weather is getting worse, nights are getting longer and RTE (Prime Time) with a report on how there is no end in sight to the pandemic, even with a vaccine. It's the hope that kills you.

Switch off RTE and don't give their website any clicks

It's borderline criminal what they're doing to the mental health of this country and it needs to be put to an unbiased Committee at this stage

They're a shower of complete and absolute (and I don't use this word lightly) cúnts

tobefrank321

Gael23 wrote: »

Well it is the case that Smallpox is the only disease in the modern world to have been entirely eliminated

Probably although it only took a couple of centuries!

You'd wonder what sort of summer we will have next year and when travel quarantines end!

boggerman1

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Switch off RTE and don't give their website any clicks

It's borderline criminal what they're doing to the mental health of this country and it needs to be put to an unbiased Committee at this stage

They're a shower of complete and absolute (and I don't use this word lightly) cúnts

Totally agree with this.its amazing since the talk of the vaccines being available quickly enough in the past week ,rte has gone out of its way to talk them down.its time to turn off rte and get anyone you know to do the same.this fear mongering is criminal at this stage.

dominatinMC

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Switch off RTE and don't give their website any clicks

It's borderline criminal what they're doing to the mental health of this country and it needs to be put to an unbiased Committee at this stage

They're a shower of complete and absolute (and I don't use this word lightly) cúnts

You won't find me arguing with that assertion! I know that RTE have a duty to reliably inform the public, and tempering unrealistic expectations is part of that. However, would it kill them to change the record and, for once, give a semblance of much-needed hope to a despairing public.

I honestly don't know what their agenda is at this point.

iguana

Dressoutlet wrote: »

Most people know its not a silver bullet already

We also know that Sars-Cov-2 is a virus rather than a werewolf.:cool:

stephenjmcd

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The vulnerable population and healthcare workers will be priority but only account for about 1 million of our population. It could take a further 9 months to vaccinate the rest and there's no chance there will be 100% take up.

At a certain stage this thing has to be brought to an end and once the vulnerable and healthcare workers are vaccinated normality will have to return.

Otherwise we won't have an economy left.

Yup sums up my thoughts pretty much to be honest.

You also don't need everyone vaccinated, once you get those most at risk of putting pressure on health services vaccinated and the hospital numbers all reduce given those at risk are less likely to end up in hospital, any public buy in is gone then I think. People just wouldn't put up with more restrictions once roll out begins

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

I just don’t see a point in taking a vaccine after that discussion on prime time.

If nothing changes it’s not worth the risk

I've not watched prime time but from anything they've gone on with previously and going by the response on here, I wouldn't be paying to much attention to anything on it.

iguana

Gael23 wrote: »

I’d guess there would be a priority list of high risk. I have an autoimmune disease so would hope to be up on the list I’m only 29 though

An enormous amount of people have autoimmune conditions. I get psoriasis on my scalp when I'm under extreme stress. I had tiny endometrial growths on my right ovary. Both are auto-immune conditions but I'd be very surprised if I get called up any earlier for a vaccine because of them.

Thierry12

Gael23 wrote: »

I just don’t see a point in taking a vaccine after that discussion on prime time.

If nothing changes it’s not worth the risk

Venezuela have the cure

According to the president

DR10 molecule

https://pledgetimes.com/maduro-venezuelan-scientists-have-developed-a-cure-for-coronavirus/

charlie14

iguana wrote: »

An enormous amount of people have autoimmune conditions. I get psoriasis on my scalp when I'm under extreme stress. I had tiny endometrial growths on my right ovary. Both are auto-immune conditions but I'd be very surprised if I get called up any earlier for a vaccine because of them.

I have no idea how they intend rolling out vaccinations, but I would imagine that after medical personnel and those over 65, others at high risk would be the next priority regardless of age.
The only people who could determine who those are will be their G.P.s. It would appear to make sense, to me anyway, that they would be next to prioritise who received the vaccine.