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Who thinks Trump will win?

whiskeyman

Hope the mods don't mind a new thread, but I just want to see how many of us think Trump will beat Biden in Nov?
I think he just has so much of a populist ground swell and I wouldn't be surprised if 'external' participants get involved in the process.

Do you think he'll get reelected?
Where will that leave America?

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Timberrrrrrrr

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Probably waiting for Biden to deny it (he hasn't yet), then they can hit him with the sucker punch.

So all Biden (which one?) has to do is say nothing and let the American public continue to vote for him. Seems like a stupid tactic by Trump but then again I would expect nothing less from him.

[Deleted User]

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Probably waiting for Biden to deny it (he hasn't yet), then they can hit him with the sucker punch.

A big "probably" there, would be much easier to release the supposed evidence. They've already said the meeting didn't happen so why not release the email?

Kidchameleon

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

which one?

The really old one who allegedly used his office for personal gain

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So all Biden (which one?) has to do is say nothing and let the American public continue to vote for him.

If he says nothing, then he is obviously hiding something. Every time Sleepy is asked about it he goes nuts and deflects

Call Me Jimmy

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

At the moment all evidence points to them being fake, this could be cleared up in a matter of minutes if they sent the originals emails to people who have asked for them so they can examine the data and confirm their legitimacy.

Maybe Fox News are in on it too but they have verified one. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies

Doesn't mean it's true, I'm just struck by the extreme lack of curiosity and harsh censorship. I mean there's no hard evidence it's Russian disinformation. And even if it is from some russian source, it should be easily denied.

The lawyer saying 'the corrupt meeting was not in our schedule' isn't satisfactory for a lot of people.

Why haven't the biden's questioned the veracity of the emails?

km991148

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If don. Jr was selling access to his dad to fund his drug habbit even a tweet from a new account saying that would be enough for most of the people here saying the emails and pictures of hunter smoking crack are fake.

Joe biden allowing his son to sell access is a serious issue.

Dunno about that to be honest. That's complete speculation. I think I'd question any pdf that was presented as emails tbh no matter who I supported and who they were against.

km991148

Gruffalux wrote: »

The New York Post is a conservative leaning tabloid newspaper founded in 1801 and now owned by the world's biggest media mogul Rupert Murdoch. I don't read it nor am I fond of Murdoch and his ways but News Corp will have had proper teams fully investigate the Hunter Biden material before publication because they do not want to be sued. Steve Bannon, that obnoxious millenarian weirdo who has ties to other sinister people like Alexandr Dugin and all that wild end of geo political stuff, is all over this information. It is however very likely to be true that Hunter Biden's laptop has delivered gold to people like Bannon - Hunter's own lawyer wrote to the repair guy last week asking for the laptop and hard drives to be returned and Bannon has that email - and no amount of denial on here or censorship from Silicon Valley is going to hold back the deluge. Looks like really bad stuff on Hunter Biden involved, aside from the political influence emails from when Joe was VP. Seriously bad stuff I have read that does looks really bad connected to the son of a US Presidential candidate.

I may be wrong. Time will as always tell.

I don't think they can be sued, not in the same way as other countries and not if they (the newspaper) were also the victim of a fraud.

duploelabs

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Maybe Fox News are in on it too but they have verified one. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies

Doesn't mean it's true, I'm just struck by the extreme lack of curiosity and harsh censorship. I mean there's no hard evidence it's Russian disinformation. And even if it is from some russian source, it should be easily denied.

The lawyer saying 'the corrupt meeting was not in our schedule' isn't satisfactory for a lot of people.

Why haven't the biden's questioned the veracity of the emails?

Fox news also carried the story of an impending caravan of migrants marching towards the southern border, how'd that work out?

Phoebas

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Maybe Fox News are in on it too but they have verified one. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies

This again.
Can you tell me the name of the person that verified this email to Fox?

Pa ElGrande

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Call Me Jimmy

Phoebas wrote: »

This again.
Can you tell me the name of the person that verified this email to Fox?

It's an unsourced news article. Like many that have come before it from other media outlets.

Phoebas

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

It's an unsourced news article. Like many that have come before it from other media outlets.

So, not really verified then.

[Deleted User]

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

It's an unsourced news article. Like many that have come before it from other media outlets.

And Fox News pushed outright conspiracy theories in the last election cycle. Remember how they pushed Seth Rich? Their credibility around anonymous sources simply isn't there.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Gruffalux wrote: »

A lot more than dodgy emails. 1000s of extreme photos and video footage and all verified to be from Hunter's laptop, and to be of Hunter, by Hunter's lawyer. And strong implication and likely evidence of influence of Joe Biden purchased. And the whole thing suppressed from publication by Twitter and Facebook.

Really? Verified by who?

Call Me Jimmy

Phoebas wrote: »

So, not really verified then.

At least everyone is upping their scepticism of unsourced articles!

Yes, not verified but it's an additional piece of information for people who care. If you rule out all media companies who have participated in bad stories, even fake news in the last few years you wouldn't accept anything from any of them. And after Russiagate, Fox news is definitely in no worse standing.

Giuliani has invited journalists to verify the contents on the hard drive and I haven't heard of any saying they went, or that they have been refused.

[Deleted User]

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

At least everyone is upping their scepticism of unsourced articles!

Yes, not verified but it's an additional piece of information for people who care. If you rule out all media companies who have participated in bad stories, even fake news in the last few years you wouldn't accept anything from any of them. And after Russiagate, Fox news is definitely in no worse standing.

Giuliani has invited journalists to verify the contents on the hard drive and I haven't heard of any saying they went, or that they have been refused.

We know for a fact that Russia runs disinformation campaigns that often use real content mixed with fake content that's incredibly salacious.. Some data forensics would easily allow for them to be verified as real or not. Instead Giuliani seems actively opposed to this. There's endless red flags. Hence why news outlets are not currently taking them very seriously.

Timberrrrrrrr

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

At least everyone is upping their scepticism of unsourced articles!

Yes, not verified but it's an additional piece of information for people who care. If you rule out all media companies who have participated in bad stories, even fake news in the last few years you wouldn't accept anything from any of them. And after Russiagate, Fox news is definitely in no worse standing.

Giuliani has invited journalists to verify the contents on the hard drive and I haven't heard of any saying they went, or that they have been refused.

He has been asked for the emails and has refused to hand them over.

Phoebas

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

At least everyone is upping their scepticism of unsourced articles!

Everyone, except you.

Call Me Jimmy

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

He has been asked for the emails and has refused to hand them over.

Yea he is not handing over the hard drive, he said journalists can come and look at it on site but can't take it away.

It could be the case that he's lying because they are slow-rolling it purposely to catch the Biden campaign in lies (that's what they say).

Phoebas

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Giuliani has invited journalists to verify the contents on the hard drive and I haven't heard of any saying they went, or that they have been refused.

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Yea he is not handing over the hard drive, he said journalists can come and look at it on site but can't take it away.

These statements contradict each other.

If Giuliani was interested in actually verifying the emails he could provide a simple copy of the hard drive. He isn't.

Outlaw Pete

Deleted User wrote: »

We know for a fact that Russia runs disinformation campaigns that often use real content mixed with fake content that's incredibly salacious.. Some data forensics would easily allow for them to be verified as real or not. Instead Giuliani seems actively opposed to this. There's endless red flags. Hence why news outlets are not currently taking them very seriously.

Pity they weren't all so meticulous when it came to stories about Trump paying prostitutes to urinate on one another in a Moscow bed the Obamas had slept in.

[Deleted User]

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Yea he is not handing over the hard drive, he said journalists can come and look at it on site but can't take it away.

It could be the case that he's lying because they are slow-rolling it purposely to catch the Biden campaign in lies (that's what they say).

He doesn't have to hand over the hard drive. Could easily send copies of the files or outright clone the drive. They won't even release the emails they've already released screenshots of. I could easily created some fake emails and create screenshots of them but y'know that's evidence of nothing...

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Pity they weren't all so meticulous when it came to stories about Trump paying prostitutes to urinate on one another in a Moscow bed the Obamas had slept in.

It was pretty regularly reported even at the time that salacious stuff like that was likely false. But there were plenty of things in the Steele Dossier that did end up verified.

rgossip30

All woes will disappear under Joe it will be wonderful .

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Yea he is not handing over the hard drive, he said journalists can come and look at it on site but can't take it away.

It could be the case that he's lying because they are slow-rolling it purposely to catch the Biden campaign in lies (that's what they say).

How the **** is anyone supposed to verify a hard drive when they don't have access to the entire thing?!

If someone was accused of having child porn on a hard drive, do you think the guards would accept only being able to see parts of it and only under supervision?!

Chris_Heilong

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

How the **** is anyone supposed to verify a hard drive when they don't have access to the entire thing?!

If someone was accused of having child porn on a hard drive, do you think the guards would accept only being able to see parts of it and only under supervision?!

As long as they have enough evidence to prove that Biden is too corrupt to run for president then that is all that matters and will be a lot more real than any "evidence" they had on Trump.

Timberrrrrrrr

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

As long as they have enough evidence to prove that Biden is too corrupt to run for president then that is all that matters and will be a lot more real than any "evidence" they had on Trump.

And yet they haven't released any of it, why's that do you think?

Call Me Jimmy

Phoebas wrote: »

These statements contradict each other.

If Giuliani was interested in actually verifying the emails he could provide a simple copy of the hard drive. He isn't.

He's obviously not interested in JUST verifying the emails, he is a political operative after all.

With such easily falsifiable allegations like this they are wide open for legal/civil action, so I don't think they've done it willy-nilly.

Call Me Jimmy

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

How the **** is anyone supposed to verify a hard drive when they don't have access to the entire thing?!

If someone was accused of having child porn on a hard drive, do you think the guards would accept only being able to see parts of it and only under supervision?!

This isn't a legal case though. Journalists view evidence like that all the time no?

[Deleted User]

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

This isn't a legal case though. Journalists view evidence like that all the time no?

Not based on screenshots...

Call Me Jimmy

Deleted User wrote: »

Not based on screenshots...

Read the post

hetuzozaho

Gruffalux wrote: »

A lot more than dodgy emails. 1000s of extreme photos and video footage and all verified to be from Hunter's laptop, and to be of Hunter, by Hunter's lawyer. And strong implication and likely evidence of influence of Joe Biden purchased. And the whole thing suppressed from publication by Twitter and Facebook.

When you put it like that it sounds like the "REAL DEAL". Then you actually read into it...

"Suppressed from publication" :P