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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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Today being Paddy Day 2020... when do you think we will have a ‘flu jab’ / pill / syrup that we can take to make us immune/ les likely to catch this 19 virus?.

Mod: The purpose of this thread is baked into the title - COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures - it's not a platform to push an anti vaccination agenda. If posters wish to discuss the perceived cons of vaccinations, or push various theories regarding 'the agenda' (whatever that is supposed to mean), open a thread elsewhere on it.

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Marhay70

ACitizenErased wrote: »

We don't need to. Europe already done it for us.

Did I not read a few weeks ago that Pfizer Ireland was ramping up capacity of other drugs to allow vaccines to be produced elsewhere? I though no vaccine would be produced here, has that changed or was I mistaken?

Marhay70

chrisbonnie wrote: »

You'd like to think we'd be proactive on this. But I fear we're just hoping to piggy back off the EU.

I couldn't understand why we never had our own vaccine trials. Not of vaccines we actually produced and developed, because heaven forbid professor luke O'Neill left the news talk studio's to actually do some work and not big up his book with Pat Kenny.

O'Neill must have been doing something right.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0921/1166446-inflazome-roche-deal/

hmmm

chrisbonnie wrote: »

You'd like to think we'd be proactive on this. But I fear we're just hoping to piggy back off the EU.

We're part of the EU. A collective deal across the EU means we will get earlier access to large quantities of multiple vaccines, a deal we could never have hoped to strike on our own given our size.

I couldn't understand why we never had our own vaccine trials. Not of vaccines we actually produced and developed, because heaven forbid professor luke O'Neill left the news talk studio's to actually do some work and not big up his book with Pat Kenny.

No-one would be interested in running a vaccine trial in Ireland, we're too small and the level of infections are too few. We have no national vaccine manufacturer.

jackboy

hmmm wrote: »

We're part of the EU. A collective deal across the EU means we will get earlier access to large quantities of multiple vaccines, a deal we could never have hoped to strike on our own given our size.

True. However we will have no say on the distribution of the vaccine or which groups get it first. There may be some interesting decisions from the EU when the time comes.

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jackboy wrote: »

True. However we will have no say on the distribution of the vaccine or which groups get it first. There may be some interesting decisions from the EU when the time comes.

The UK have secured the largest per capita allocation of vaccines in the world, if an all island approach is to be used we might do well to supplement our EU allocation with a bilateral deal with the UK.

MerlinSouthDub

jackboy wrote: »

True. However we will have no say on the distribution of the vaccine or which groups get it first. There may be some interesting decisions from the EU when the time comes.

I would have the thought the EU will distribute it in proportion to population size and then leave it each country to do the rest? Anything else sounds complicated and overbearing from an EU perspective.

jackboy

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

I would have the thought the EU will distribute it in proportion to population size and then leave it each country to do the rest? Anything else sounds complicated and overbearing from an EU perspective.

That would be a good way to do it. However, complicated and overbearing is what the EU is. Also, there will be massive lobbying, especially at the start when supplies will be low.

ShaShaBear

A family member has been referred for a covid test and was wondering if she needs to contact her GP with results or if he will automatically be updated on the result when it comes in?

Beasty

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astrofool

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Mask wearing decision making was delayed because a significant portion of the population wear masks in a manner that will only increase the transmissions of the virus.

What I don't u derstand is how they haven't made a video explaining masks and how to wear them and put it on advertisements on all channels.

In the early days there was also a shortage of masks where needed (i.e. hospitals and care homes), enforcing mask use then would have endangered more, not less people (as everyone should have been in full lockdown) due to people panic buying and hoarding them.

Gael23

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/reasons-to-be-optimistic-for-a-covid-19-vaccine-by-christmas-says-expert-1.4383970

Le Bruise

Gael23 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/reasons-to-be-optimistic-for-a-covid-19-vaccine-by-christmas-says-expert-1.4383970

Very positive article....although O’Neill does tend to err on the side of optimism! He’s the antithesis of McConkey.

marno21

Le Bruise wrote: »

Very positive article....although O’Neill does tend to err on the side of optimism! He’s the antithesis of McConkey.

I'd much rather his optimism than the type of negative nonsense being peddled by some of those in the media which is causing untold anxiety in the public.

Marhay70

Le Bruise wrote: »

Very positive article....although O’Neill does tend to err on the side of optimism! He’s the antithesis of McConkey.

Heard him on the radio during the week. He had been over in Oxford and Cambridge swapping scientific research ideas with all the top scientists involved with the studies on Covid and came back buzzing.
He's a breath of fresh air in these times IMO.

Gael23

Is he someone who’s opinion should be listened to?

ShineOn7

Le Bruise wrote: »

Very positive article....although O’Neill does tend to err on the side of optimism! He’s the antithesis of McConkey.

O'Neill is a populist gobshíte. Time after time he just says whatever gets the most attention and has flipped opinion several times on this since March

Reasons to be optimistic for a Covid-19 vaccine by Christmas, says expert

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/reasons-to-be-optimistic-for-a-covid-19-vaccine-by-christmas-says-expert-1.4383970

I see he fails to mention that IF the Pfizer one happens by Christmas it'll still be Q4 next year before all in the EU have it if we follow the talked about timeline of:

Q4 this year/Q1 next year - Frontline workers
Q2 next year - Over 70s
Q3 next year - Those with underlying symptoms
Q4 next year - Er, everyone else?

It all feels like fantasy type hope at the moment with this vaccine

And I believe the theories going around this week that Pfizer's announcement was just to boost their stock price

ACitizenErased

ShineOn7 wrote: »

O'Neill is a populist gobshíte. Time after time he just says whatever gets the most attention and has flipped opinion several times on this since March

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/reasons-to-be-optimistic-for-a-covid-19-vaccine-by-christmas-says-expert-1.4383970

I see he fails to mention that IF the Pfizer one happens by Christmas it'll still be Q4 next year before all in the EU have it if we follow the talked about timeline of:
Q4 this year/Q1 next year - Frontline workers

Q2 next year - Over 70s

Q3 next year - Those with underlying symptoms

Q4 next year - Er, everyone else?

It all feels like fantasy type hope at the moment with this vaccine

And I believe the theories going around this week that Pfizer's announcement was just to boost their stock price

The Pfizer vaccine is in approval phase in the EU and Canada. Why would they release a statement in the US to 'boost the stock price' saying it's coming soon if it hasn't even entered approval there yet?

Gael23

ShineOn7 wrote: »

O'Neill is a populist gobshíte. Time after time he just says whatever gets the most attention and has flipped opinion several times on this since March

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/reasons-to-be-optimistic-for-a-covid-19-vaccine-by-christmas-says-expert-1.4383970

I see he fails to mention that IF the Pfizer one happens by Christmas it'll still be Q4 next year before all in the EU have it if we follow the talked about timeline of:
Q4 this year/Q1 next year - Frontline workers

Q2 next year - Over 70s

Q3 next year - Those with underlying symptoms

Q4 next year - Er, everyone else?

It all feels like fantasy type hope at the moment with this vaccine

And I believe the theories going around this week that Pfizer's announcement was just to boost their stock price

You have a point but I would hope by Q2 we will see a relative normality

zerosugarbuzz

Marhay70 wrote: »

Heard him on the radio during the week. He had been over in Oxford and Cambridge swapping scientific research ideas with all the top scientists involved with the studies on Covid and came back buzzing.
He's a breath of fresh air in these times IMO.

And he went to the pub with his fellow scientists something none of us here can do. Could he not have done his business via Zoom like the rest of us have to? Personally I thought he had a serious cheek to take these actions while expecting the rest of us to face level 5 lockdown.

ShineOn7

Gael23 wrote: »

You have a point but I would hope by Q2 we will see a relative normality

Normality by Q2 Next year?!

Not a chance

ACitizenErased

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Normality by Q2 Next year?!

Not a chance

The US are preparing for the majority of people to have been vaccinated by June next year.

Le Bruise

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Normality by Q2 Next year?!

Not a chance

Why not? Get the vulnerable vaccinated and the rest of us go about our business. If the government are slow to go into level 5 now due to economic factors when the virus is rampant with no protection, they certainly won’t be crippling the economy when a vaccine is available.

Gael23

I very much expect it will de somewhat guided by the actions of other EU countries too

ACitizenErased

Gael23 wrote: »

I very much expect it will de somewhat guided by the actions of other EU countries too

I have no issue following the German/French approach to the vaccine tbh

stephenjmcd

ShineOn7 wrote: »

O'Neill is a populist gobshíte. Time after time he just says whatever gets the most attention and has flipped opinion several times on this since March

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/reasons-to-be-optimistic-for-a-covid-19-vaccine-by-christmas-says-expert-1.4383970

I see he fails to mention that IF the Pfizer one happens by Christmas it'll still be Q4 next year before all in the EU have it if we follow the talked about timeline of:
Q4 this year/Q1 next year - Frontline workers

Q2 next year - Over 70s

Q3 next year - Those with underlying symptoms

Q4 next year - Er, everyone else?

It all feels like fantasy type hope at the moment with this vaccine

And I believe the theories going around this week that Pfizer's announcement was just to boost their stock price

Even if that's the timeline what does it matter ? Frontline and vulnerable first, once you start vaccinating your breaking transmission, when the vulnerable have received the vaccine it makes relaxing restrictions much easier.

Younger healthy people won't be until late next year, why ? Because there's no need to have them front of the queue. You could get back to very near normality before the last group is vaccinated.

As for you last line I expect nothing more to be honest, ah yes the big bad pharmaceutical company doing it to raise their stock price, why? They've no need to, they've given enough updates regarding rolling reviews, now they've put a timeline on the data, informing the public in plain English so they don't have to try and work it out in medical journals.

CIARAN_BOYLE

If front line workers get it tomorrow you probably reduce the R number by 0.2 in an instant.

That's a massive jump. Probably close to the difference as going from level 2 to level 3.

Gael23

Pfizer say they can have 100million ready this year then 100 million a month after that.
It could be some time before we get our 300 million.

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ACitizenErased wrote: »

I have no issue following the German/French approach to the vaccine tbh

Huge anti vaccine sentiment in France, worst in the world.

ACitizenErased

Deleted User wrote: »

Huge anti vaccine sentiment in France, worst in the world.

I'm not sure what that has to do with my comment. I'm talking about distribution, not who's going to take it.

charlie14

Deleted User wrote: »

Huge anti vaccine sentiment in France, worst in the world.

Good luck to them if they do not want it.
It will mean everyone else that does gets theirs quicker.