Gael23 wrote: » Yes nurses can give vaccines but I don’t see a GP surgery being able to cope. I think the HSE will have to set up clinics. Regarding my comment about it being mandatory, there could be something like if you don’t have it then you are not allowed work in an office, you must work from home and kids must have it in order to go to school. Something along those lines
Strumms wrote: » I don’t know how long it will take to vaccinate the country but if at a guess on average we can vaccinate about 24,000 people per day. I base this on there being about 2,500 active gps in active practice and obviously the vaccine being in continuous supply and available to them. Each gp would be vaccinating 9 people per day so it’s a conservative number. People making an appointment to get a sore foot looked at receive the vaccine if they haven’t received it already. Also an IMPORTANT point : Nurses who are qualified can give the flu jab, it doesn’t need to be a doctor I’m reading. If a qualified nurse can give you a flu vaccine as they can in my gp surgery it would be logical to presume that they can too give you the covid vaccine. Maths isn’t my strong point but the vaccine could be administered countrywide in about 180-200 days ‘roughly’.....
JDD wrote: » On a side note, and I know this sounds selfish, but I understand that the vaccine won't be able to be distributed across the whole world in a couple of months. That doesn't mean we can't return to close to normal within a month or two of the vaccine being distributed here. The way the world is, western first world countries will get the vaccine first because they have paid for it. Covid outbreaks in Ireland will still happen for another couple of years - probably stemming from travel from a 2nd or 3rd world country, or localised outbreaks amongst anti-vaxxers, but they won't be widespread enough to overwhelm the hospital system. And once the hospital system can cope, we can go back to not wearing masks and going to concerts and pilates and matches. That's the way I see it anyway.
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » There's an argument that once the vulnerable are vaccinated we would be able to significantly reduce restrictions. I'll leave defining vulnerable for this purpose down to public health.
JDD wrote: » Tell me this - do we have a constitutional right to healthcare? Can we not say to people that don't take the vaccine that they can't be treated in the public system, and will have to pay for health treatment privately if they get sick from covid? This isn't like not treating a smoker if they get heart disease or cancer, because you could have gotten heart disease or cancer from a million other things (including genetics). If you get sick from covid, it's because you didn't get the vaccine. There's a fairly straight correlation. So that leaves it open to people who don't want to risk taking the vaccine, but they can pay for private health insurance to cover any eventual costs if they do get infected? On a side note, and I know this sounds selfish, but I understand that the vaccine won't be able to be distributed across the whole world in a couple of months. That doesn't mean we can't return to close to normal within a month or two of the vaccine being distributed here. The way the world is, western first world countries will get the vaccine first because they have paid for it. Covid outbreaks in Ireland will still happen for another couple of years - probably stemming from travel from a 2nd or 3rd world country, or localised outbreaks amongst anti-vaxxers, but they won't be widespread enough to overwhelm the hospital system. And once the hospital system can cope, we can go back to not wearing masks and going to concerts and pilates and matches. That's the way I see it anyway.
Sweet.Science wrote: » Can't see that . The vulnerable aren't even making it to hospital . Need a lot more taking it
speckle wrote: » You might not understand that there are people who have had documented adverse reactions to some vaccines, there are also vaccine non responders. For people with some autoimmune diseases there are potential issues aswell. Take RA they have to avoid the yellow fever vaccine. There is also the issue of ADE and what of people that already have transverse myelitus or ms. Vaccination or not can be a complex issue for some people who are already high risk and a decision should be made with their specialist. Should they be refused healthcare?
JDD wrote: » Those going to hospital are not necessarily the vulnerable. And the restrictions are to stop hospitalisations, not deaths. I think you could have 60% of the country vaccinated in two months if you set up drive through clinics and allowed pharmacists and district nurses to administer the vaccine. Pharmacists already do the flu vaccine right? There'd be a sharp drop off after that as while another 10/15% might want to take the vaccine, they'll probably wait six months to make sure there isn't any side effects. Some of those probably won't bother at the six month mark if the restrictions are largely lifted.
JDD wrote: » Can we not say to people that don't take the vaccine that they can't be treated in the public system, and will have to pay for health treatment privately if they get sick from covid?
Gael23 wrote: » Are 60% willing to have it though
In Russia scientists have registered their second coronavirus vaccine and, they reckon, they are on their way to a third.
JDD wrote: » No. But I imagine if they get certified by their doctor that they are at high risk for an adverse reaction, then they can be included in the public system. That seems to be a fairly straightforward certification.
Cordell wrote: » There is no need for that, if 80+% are taking it then it's gone, it won't spread anymore, or if it does it will be so limited that's not going to be a problem anymore. And there is an obligation to treat people even from self inflicted injuries.
speckle wrote: » I could go on, but more importantly I will ask again here, of the people who post reguarily on this topic any news of the later trials and the vaccines being tested on people with autoimmune disorders or neuroligical disorders like MS? Some of us are in the high risk catorgory and really need information if we are to potentially be on the first group offered. Thanks
A U.K. group studying more than 2200 COVID-19 patients has pinned down common gene variants that are linked to the most severe cases of the disease, and that point to existing drugs that could be repurposed to help. “
is_that_so wrote: » More Russian vaccineshttps://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/oct/14/coronavirus-live-news-restrictions-tighten-across-europe-global-cases-near-38m?page=with:block-5f871b6e8f081eee1eee365c#block-5f871b6e8f081eee1eee365c
JDD wrote: » I honestly don't know. I expect that those who are elderly or vulnerable will. However I can't see lots of people bringing their young children to be vaccinated because of the newness of the vaccine. Which means the virus will still circulate for six months. Your target market will be 30-55 year olds. They are the ones who could end up putting strain on the hospital system if there isn't a large uptake in vaccinations.
ACitizenErased wrote: » Faucis confidenthttps://twitter.com/norahodonnell/status/1316464903125954560?s=21
hmmm wrote: » This confidence is new. I've never heard him use dates like that before. He might not know how the phase 3 trials will go, but he definitely knows the manufacturing capability.
hmmm wrote: » I don't believe so at the moment. All the trials publish their eligibility criteria (e.g. Oxford in Brazil - see down the end: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04444674 ) The impression I get is that most of these vaccines will be initially tested on relatively healthy adults, and assuming those trials go well the Regulators are likely to ask them to be expanded to other groups. If enough healthy people take the vaccine, we won't even need to give the vaccine to people with less healthy immune systems. That's why combatting the misinformation and lies from the anti-vax group is so important, and why those on the fence need to be told to get down off the fence and do their bit for society.
