Dionaibh wrote: » Masks haven't exactly been a success in Spain or in France. Cases are through the roof in both. Now I think cases are meaningless, but if we're going to base the effectiveness of masks on falling cases then they are quite clearly not working in Spain and France. They've done nothing to stop the rise in cases in the Philippines either.
Panrich wrote: » Masks won’t make up for people who ignore the dangers but they certainly are more effective than nothing for times when we have to be among others. I see it now that people have got so much more lackadaisical in general this time around. Gangs of school kids wandering around in big groups and nobody bats an eyelid. No more queueing to get into shops. It’s a free for all. The more we relax on social distancing the more important masks are but they won’t protect the careless.
Marhay70 wrote: » That doesn't mean they're not effective. it has never been claimed that masks are the solution rather that they are part of the solution. Probably the figures would be even worse without masks. Common sense and education are big contributors to the fight, I witnessed a complete absence of both while stopped at the traffic lights at Cross Avenue/Mount Merrion Avenue last week. Three young girls 15/16 were standing, chatting, on the corner and passing a can of Coke or something similar around between them. Ironically all were wearing masks under their chins so obviously were compliant and observant of the precautions while inside the school but once outside, all that went out the window. God only knows how many people those three were in contact with on their way home.
Dionaibh wrote: » Sweden, Norway and Finland don't bother with the things and have hardly any cases. Spain, France and the Philippines are obsessed with them and their case numbers are through the roof.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » For those following the vaccines, is it true that a vaccine isn't going to give immunity?
irishgeo wrote: » Masks aren't vworn in people's houses which is where the majority of the cases are being picked up. It's obvious the GAA celebrations and student parties have led to the huge increase in numbers.
hmmm wrote: » We won't know what level of immunity is achievable until the completion of Phase 3 testing. This is a good article on the types of potential immunity we are likely to see:https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/25/four-scenarios-on-how-we-might-develop-immunity-to-covid-19/
Thierry12 wrote: » Good article Sterilising immunity unlikely, out the question one expert said Possible to infect others because of that non sterilising immunity ( primates early phases were infectious ) Not landing in hospital very likely, pretty much crisis over which we all want
jackboy wrote: » I wouldn’t be so sure. Everything we are doing is to protect those who are in very bad health. A vaccine that reduces severity may not prevent huge amounts of people dying. I’m pretty sure none of the vaccine trials include the type of people who will really need the vaccine. So, the real trial will be the live experiment of releasing the vaccine.
Thierry12 wrote: » True They refused Aids and immune compromised in many if these trials We will know soon enough Its all gone very quiet, not much amazing results/hype lately from Oxford etc
Sconsey wrote: » Phase three trials include at risk groups.
jackboy wrote: » Including the elderly and cancer patients etc?
Sconsey wrote: » Yes to elderly, don't know about cancer patients.
MerlinSouthDub wrote: » It's actually a good sign that results are taking longer to come. The more effective the vaccine is, the longer it will take to get results (all other things being equal)
eddie73 wrote: » I would agree with this, but also extend this point. The fastest ever vaccine made was 4.5 years. For mumps. I would not be the first person to get a vaccine that took a year to make, regardless of how many were in the trials.
kwestfan08 wrote: » Was the swine flu vaccine not less than a year? I remember getting it at the time back in 09 or whenever it was but maybe it was already an established one.
Thierry12 wrote: » Good article Sterilising immunity unlikely, out the question one expert said Possible to infect others because of that non sterilising immunity ( primates early phases were infectious ) Not landing in hospital very likely, pretty much crisis over which we all want Strangely some of those experts are even implying a herd immunity situation in the functional section You'll never get as sick as you were the first time would be nice Are any of these trials going to test immunity theory and deliberately infect trialists? Suppose with Covid rampant now what's the point, they'll encounter it anyways.
Dionaibh wrote: » One hears a lot about vaccines, but is there any word on a treatment / cure? I read articles about drugs being developed that could "crush the virus", but you don't hear much about them.
irishgeo wrote: » the swine flu one had issues.
Apogee wrote: » Interesting application of pooled saliva testing at a US university:http://dailyorange.com/2020/10/pooled-saliva-testing-allows-su-overcome-national-rapid-test-shortage/ Does anyone understand the seeming reluctance to adopt saliva testing in Ireland, given its obvious advantages?
