Thierry12 wrote: » Yes its true No sterilising immunity Nasal vaccines might give it in the future
Away With The Fairies wrote: » What the fcuk? So basically, we're all getting this virus?
Hmmzis wrote: » What is actually the source of this assertion?
jackboy wrote: » Yes, masks and social distancing will need to continue post vaccine.
dominatinMC wrote: » Masks - maybe. Social distancing - absolutely no chance.
The vaccine was designed to stop tuberculosis, but there is some evidence it can protect against other infections as well. Around 1,000 people will take part in the trial at the University of Exeter.
corcaigh07 wrote: » Are anyone doing antibody tests? Surely, some countries must have a decent level of herd immunity by now (UK getting close to 1% of the population confirmed to have had it, how many more are undetected?)
is_that_so wrote: » Another BCG trial starting - in health workers.https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54465733
Thierry12 wrote: » Interesting read but not peer reviewedhttps://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/study-confirms-bcg-vaccine-efficacy/story-zj9Si5vLpKZAJOwDN6ZJJI.html
is_that_so wrote: » Most the these trials are still ongoing. It's a good line of investigation to pursue. The impression I get is that they are hoping to identify some benefit but are not looking to it as a major solution.
jackboy wrote: » If we don’t continue with some level of social distancing post vaccine the hospitals will still get over run.
Thierry12 wrote: » A source was posted earlier I know you saw it, don't pretend you didn't If you want to read a bithttps://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/501677-what-is-sterilizing-immunity-and-do-we-need-it%3famp
dominatinMC wrote: » How so?
Hmmzis wrote: » You're speaking as if it's an established fact. While that article (among a slew of others) are talking about all sorts of possibilities and scenarios, not established facts. It's good to have a discussion about that before phase 3 readouts start happening, so that there is a clearer picture of what policies to apply and follow and what the most effective deployment strategies could be for each scenario. Taking one out of context and presenting it as the only possible outcome and an established fact is misleading at best. While we all would wish for efficacy like that of the HPV vaccine and most of the candidates are aiming at that, if we get something that's only as good as the polio one it would bring back life to normalcy sooner than some 'experts' would like you to believe. In that same context - infection != disease. Have a read about what the Human Virome is. If something does not cause disease it's a scientific curiosity, not a health emergency.
jackboy wrote: » The vaccine will improve outcomes but not eliminate spread of the virus. Stopping social distancing may cause the virus to spread very fast, it’s very infectious. So stopping social distancing may counteract the effectiveness of the the vaccine, in regards to keeping the hospitals ability to handle the numbers.
Rrrrrr2 wrote: » What does that even mean- “Putins seal of approval”?
Rrrrrr2 wrote: » You test it under the prescribed reg conditions in clinical trials.
Rrrrrr2 wrote: » You say it’s not proven to be effective- is there data available to prove that?
Rrrrrr2 wrote: » But we should be do in h those tests under license here in Europe and test he Russian vaccine. If it fails, then we know it’s not effective. But I don’t think we should be dismissing and borderline sniggering at it “ah sure it’s only the Russians I wouldn’t trust them” narrative
Cordell wrote: » Putin rubberstamped it with no proper testing. Why? There's plenty of other vaccines going transparently through regulatory testing. No, but there is no data to prove it's safe and effective. Again, why test their vaccine when there's already vaccines that are ahead of it in the testing process?
stephenjmcd wrote: » Yeah thats gone as soon as a meaningful number have been vaccinated. Once a vaccine prevents serious illness then the measure around it relax / dissapear
marno21 wrote: » The early vaccines will not protect against viral infection from SARS-CoV-2, but they will protect against severe Covid-19 disease. If it becomes the case that the most severe illness caused by SARS-CoV-2 in vaccinated people is as severe as a standard cold, we will be back to normality just as we managed to live before March 2020 with all the other colds and flus. Eventually we may get better vaccines that protect against initial infection but the main priority in the short term is improving patient outcomes while we try to return to full normal life. SARS-CoV-2 is now endemic just like the other human coronaviruses and every other viral threat we regularly face. The genie is not going back in the bottle.
Thierry12 wrote: » If the vaccines dont give sterilising immunity it might dodgy for 80+ and those with compromised immune systems to be out and about
Dionaibh wrote: » I hope you're right. A lot of people seem to be a bit too fond of the mask.
Panrich wrote: » We had over 1000 new cases logged yesterday. It’s a pity a few more weren’t fond of the mask.
irishgeo wrote: » SARS is a Corona virus and went back in its bottle.
