Hubertj wrote: » Sounds very positive. In our office, we are all wfh until new year. Many are very happy with it. But we have a lot of single non nationals working for us and they do feel socially isolated. Going to the office and sport and Sofia events were pretty much their only outlets. HR is working on helping them (developing a buddy system) in parallel to what sort of wfh / wfo mix there will be. I really struggle wfh as much prefer face to face interaction.
Hubertj wrote: » Just like your post about Donaghmede then. Good lad.
OwlsZat wrote: » That's the best dredging effort you could muster? Engage your brain before you start dictating who's stupid or not. The joke is on you.
schmittel wrote: » HR doing their bit as obviously they have an obligation to existing employees. But I suspect in future the ability to happily and effectively WFH will become a prized quality by many employers.
HotDudeLife wrote: » Sometimes in life people don't produce science backed studies when engaging in small talk about what is going on in their lives. If an individual tells me they are going through hard times, lost their jobs, their industry or friends industry is in decline etc. I don't stop them mid sentence and ask for a controlled study or legitimate source of evidence. Some people need to get out more.
schmittel wrote: » thanks, very interesting to hear from someone so involved with the transition. What industry is this in?
schmittel wrote: » Do you have an idea what the feeling is amongst your colleagues and friends? i.e are you an outlier or is this widely viewed as an attractive option?
VegggieMonster wrote: » I know few people from senior management who have changed their perspective on the whole wfh idea as they have seen that staff deliver, get more work life balance etc. A lot of people say they would prefer wfm few days a week. A lot of people own their places already but for those who don't it's a no brainer (idea of moving further out) to get a better value.
awec wrote: » In what way is it a no brainer?
Timing belt wrote: » I can see it as a no brainier to move out of Dublin with a Dublin wage. Gives you massive buying power but wonder has it been agreed with employer that wfh is permanent?
awec wrote: » How? I mean, it's certainly an option for some, but "no brainer" is obviously nonsense.
jill_valentine wrote: » I'd say a great many people are making the same calculations. I know I've already posted my personal take, but I happened to be involved in the Covid WFH rollout in my (pretty large old) company and it's hard to emphasise enough how much of this feels one-way. We had been gradually introducing WFH for selected employees who could make a strong case for it, as a pilot, for a few days a week - now, almost overnight, it's done, for almost everyone bar a skeleton crew, for 5 days a week. It's not an experimenal little pilot any more, it's how we've been working as a company for six months, the psychological threshold for management is crossed. More than that, the IT time and investment into making it possible - which was previously the big barrier - is already done, all the processes have already been changed to facilitate it, the offices themselves have even been physically rearranged with the expectation our onsite presence will stay this small or smaller. The laptops and headsets are paid for, the meeting rooms are repurposed. We own this building, but the external desks and parking spaces we rent in addition are sitting empty. From a staff point of view, the childminders and taxsaver tickets are cancelled, and people have gotten used to wearing what they want, sitting where they want, and eating from their own cookers at lunch. It would be more disruptive to go back than to retain this way of working now it's here. And all the costs are already sunk - if it turns out the day to day costs are significantly cheaper, which they very surely are, what incentive is there to revert? WFH isn't the question now, it's how much WFO might come back some day, and for what reason.
Timing belt wrote: » Why if you can move somewhere else and buy for a fraction of the cost even if you want city life you can move to cork Galway limerick or Waterford and be on a better salary than most
Interested Observer wrote: » Yeah but then I'd be living in Limerick.
VegggieMonster wrote: » Appreciate the 'no brainer' can be subjective but having flexibility of wfh few days a week makes people consider places they did not before due to distance. Yes it takes a lot of planning and option b or c but the more companies embrace the wfh the more people will move to places where they can save 100/150k on mortgage. That's how I see it.
awec wrote: » I think if anything the commuter belt will benefit from this. It actually becomes more, rather than less attractive. 1. You don't actually have to commute every day 2. When you do have to commute, you are still within a reasonable commuting distance 3. If the WFH thing ever stops, or you decide you need to go to the office more regularly you are still within commuting distance. 4. If you change jobs where there is no WFH option in your next job, you don't need to move house A lot of commuter towns are seen as a bit soulless and drab as everyone leaves in the morning and doesn't come back til evening, but if people do start WFH then you could see more of a community develop in these towns with more local business such as cafes, lunch spots etc.
smellyoldboot wrote: From what I can see in my own workplace, most would be happy to WFH permanently. The only ones who "need" the office are frankly not really competent/can't be left alone to complete tasks. I think, apart from effects on property, there will be a certain amount of sorting wheat from chaff involved with this move to long term remote working and a lot of people who were in relatively stable employment but skating by based on being in an office could also be adding to the Dole queues shortly as companies streamline. Just another factor for the mix.
riddles wrote: » I’d imagine jobs which can done 100% remote and staffed by foreign nationals in Ireland. Employees will be incentivised to return home where a local indexed linked salary is lower than here. Companies are looking at reduced facilities costs to become 100% remote where possible. Dublin rent has a challenge for some years now but I expect that bubble to pop.
HotDudeLife wrote: » Exactly this, these "experts" rarely predict anything, they just conduct post mortem economic analysis. The bellweather will always be the word on the street, i used to gauge this by people i know in the restaurant and hotel industry, if they told me business was slumping, a downturn usually followed. Fast forward to 2020, 90% of every industry is in serious decline or hit a screeching halt but somehow some think Irish house prices will be immune to this, "this time it's different" etc, lol. Complete deniers will be in for some shock when reality hits. I'm actually convinced most people are not that ignorant and those claiming everything will be fine and prices won't fall off a cliff have vested interests and are just trying to push an agenda (as could be said for those saying prices will crash). From a neutral standpoint the writing is on the wall for this dysfunctional market, it's long been due a correction.
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