Dummy opening post
Seth Brundle wrote: » I reckon that if an driver overtaking a cyclist fears a collision with an oncoming vehicle then unfortunately, the cyclist will be the one they aim for.
wheelo01 wrote: » Unfortunately, I think you are correct, they'll weigh up in their own head what is the lesser of two evils, damage wise for them, hitting a 1.5 ton vehicle, or hitting a 100kg obstacle(as they ser it), and the cyclist loses that one every time.
suffering golfer wrote: » Don't think there is any weighing up in their mind, lack of time to think, the natural instinct would be to swerve out of the way of an incoming vehicle, almost impossible to overcome that.
breezy1985 wrote: » It's the instinct to immediately overtake a bike regardless of the situation sadly also seems possible to overcome
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Maybe if we could make our respective bums a bit more pleasing, it might be safer on the roads?
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Not my video, but what an idiot in the Audihttps://twitter.com/danmandunne/status/1314142226151354370
RurtBeynolds wrote: » I was expecting a lot worse after reading the tweets. "Bawling crying"? Jesus...
magicbastarder wrote: » you and i have a different definition of the word 'reckless', when we're talking about a driver who starts an overtaking manouevre they've clearly got no idea if they'll be able to complete safely.
magicbastarder wrote: » well, a quick google says 'heedless of danger or the consequences of one's actions; rash or impetuous.' by that definition, the driver shown was reckless, no doubt about it.
Duckjob wrote: » At absolute best, it's a classic example of what I said just on this thread 3 pages ago: Also, it appears the driver slowed down quickly about 1 sec in, and then thought "ah screw it i can still get through" and pushed on more to the point where they conceded they couldnt get away with pushing through, at which point their car was dangerously close to an unprotected kid on a bike. That's a pretty low bar of expectation you're setting on driving standards TBF.
magicbastarder wrote: » well, then you can use any definition you want for reckless. the rest of us might not know what you mean, though.
lawrencesummers wrote: » The cyclists had plenty of room to get through once the car stopped. I never said it was right, I said it’s not the worst thing you see and the drivers decisions are wrong, but the infrastructure is a major part of the problem.
Duckjob wrote: » Reminds me of a road local to me that features in my local WhatsApp group quite a bit due to accidents at one particular spot on it. These messages always refer to the "bad bend", as if that's the main source of the problem. I don't see anything tricky about it - it's just a bend. It's been there for probably over 60 years and to my knowledge in that time it has never moved or shifted around. What I do see quite frequently is people coming around it far too fast with their wheels well over the middle line because they couldnt be bothered to adjust their speed down to a speed appropriate for the conditions and take the correct line through the bend. It's astounding the lengths people can go to deflect blame away from their sloppy driving.
Seth Brundle wrote: » I'm wondering where you're going with this. Many bends cannot be taken at the prevailing speed limit even if there were no pedestrians, cyclists, traffic, etc. Doesn't mean that you should drive around a bend under the speed limit yet still too fast.
lawrencesummers wrote: » I would be happy if that was the worst display of driving to be seen. To my mind the biggest problem there is the infrastructure, no segregated bike lane and It should be a one way street Because it’s so narrow. The Audi attempt to overtake is so slow that oncoming traffic while being pretty inevitable is Never in danger, they are aware of the bike when they slow and stop to allow enough room for the cyclist to continue. It’s not that bad to be fair, they probably should have waited but it’s not reckless.
lawrencesummers wrote: » If a particular bend is the site of multiple accidents it pretty obvious that it’s a contributory factor to the accidents. That concept seems to be lost on a lot of people, which is pretty surprising in a forum about cycling which constantly advocates for better Infrastructure. The placement of gatso vans has been based on this concept since their introduction. Particular areas need to be controlled and patrolled for safety reasons. Roads may appear to drivers to be safe to increase speed but as a source of accidents it clearly not. If someone is driving a road they don’t know they follow the speed limit, if a section of that road isn’t suitable and safe for the prevailing speed limit it either needs an engineered solution (widening, straightening) or an administrative one - signage, road marking, reduced limit with adequate warning. The fact that the OP knows this bad bend is fine for him, put a potential source of danger for people unfamiliar with it. There is a road near me where you go around 7 bends all the while the white line in the middle is a broken not solid line. That gives drivers unfamiliar with the road a question that overtaking is possible, when it should be a solid white line. Roads aren’t perfect, far from it but we don’t demand enough of the people tasked with improving them.
CramCycle wrote: » Dear lord, follow the speed limit ?!? regardless of the conditions the limit is just that, a limit, not a target. Drive to the conditions. It's this kind of attitude that is one of the main factors in most road traffic accidents.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Are you seriously suggesting that we need to make roads like this one way because dickheads like this won't make sure they have time and space to overtake safely? Here's an alternative suggestion - let's start taking and crushing cars from idiots who drive like this, and see how long it takes for the masses to get the message.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Or maybe drivers should notice the upcoming bends and adjust their speed accordingly? I really can't wait for autonomous vehicles - buggy software would be much better than the average driver in Ireland.
lawrencesummers wrote: » Notice an upcoming badly designed dangerous bend where obeying the speed limit on that road is to fast. Like be psychic? Great idea. Hard to see it catching on. And you won’t ever see me in a autonomous vehicle, nor will there be widespread introduction of them under the current insurance regimes that exists.
Eamonnator wrote: » I DO WISH, THAT PEOPLE WOULD STOP REFERRING TO COLLISIONS AS ACCIDENTS.
lawrencesummers wrote: » So poor road design doesn’t happen? The roads are perfect are they? It’s the drivers that are the problem?
lawrencesummers wrote: » Yes strangely I’m suggesting the roads are designed or redesigned in such a way that allows for the maximum safety of the users on them. Bikes in segregated lanes, two car lanes
Did you notice that road doesn’t have a central line on it? And the lumpy surface on it. Is that to much to ask in this day and age That our roads actually have painted markings on them?
lawrencesummers wrote: » Notice an upcoming badly designed dangerous bend where obeying the speed limit on that road is to fast. Like be psychic? Great idea. Hard to see it catching on.
magicbastarder wrote: » that's what the thread is for! i was once nearly cleaned out of it by a stag in the dark on the khyber road in the phoenix park. would have startled me but for the fact that by the time i realised what had happened, it was already well clear of me.
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://www.boards.ie/applications/dashboard/design/images/banned.png)
