Heart Break Kid wrote: » Isn’t the issue community transmission between Irish natives more of and issue then people flying in?
Deleted User wrote: » And round we go again......!
saabsaab wrote: » Shouldn't it be the other way around? Testing before people come in.
Golfman64 wrote: » The overall idea is that following the publication of the common EU travel policy next week, travel will be made more seamless, consistent and predictable across the entire EU during the pandemic. There will be a common criteria for evaluation of a countries status to Green, Orange, Red and Grey. For Green and Orange, unrestricted travel without testing or quarantine will be allowed. For citizens travelling from a countries designated Red and Grey, a pre-departure (less than 72 hours) negative covid test will be required in order to enter the destination country. By removing the 14 day quarantine period and replacing with a pre-departure test, the risk is being minimised whilst taking into account the economic and health benefits of less restricted travel within the EU.
saabsaab wrote: » What health benefits?
Golfman64 wrote: » Mental Health and also the ability of countries to provide the necessary financial resourcing to their health systems to support citizens who require hospitalisation for any reason are intrinsically linked to the performance of the economy of the given country. Less restricted and most importantly safe movement between EU countries should be a beneficial element to the economy.
saabsaab wrote: » Is there any evidence of mental health benefits related to airtravel. I seriously doubt it but if you have any let us know.
Tenzor07 wrote: » Yes, getting away from Covid obsessed Ireland for a break away to ease stress, I strongly recommend you try it..
Deleted User wrote: » Still think countries should follow Cambodia's lead. 5k healthcare deposit, must have good health insurance, pay for test on arrival, pay for hotel until next day when you receive test result. Then you're free to go.
faceman wrote: » I see you’re still in the camp of air travel is just for people going on holiday. Not all of us have family, loved ones or work commitments in Ireland. Travel bans, domestic or otherwise, impact mental health. Your really need to expand your funnel vision view on travel. It’s ignorant
faceman wrote: » I see you’re still in the camp of air travel is just for people going on holiday. Not all of us have family, loved ones or work commitments in Ireland. Travel bans, domestic or otherwise, impact mental health. Your really need to expand your tunnel vision view on travel. It’s ignorant
theological wrote: » A balance needs to be struck. If someone comes back and causes a large importation of cases back into the community that's an unacceptable outcome. Personally I've maintained contact with my family in Ireland using the internet. I've mentioned before that they even missed my wedding earlier in the summer. It isn't ideal but I know that I couldn't forgive myself if I went home and caused a spread of the virus within my family or if they came here and were infected during their stay here or by moving through airports or sitting on planes. These aren't normal times. We need to make sacrifices for the sake of others.
faceman wrote: » Completely agree about balance. But for Ireland's case, there is no balance, never has been. While the rest of Europe takes progressive policies, Ireland remains the outlier. Eamon Ryan already indicated that implementation will take time. Its not as if the news of the policy will be 'hot of the press' on October 13th. Other countries are already making preparations. the DAA has a proposal with government. Nothing is being done in Ireland and its suits the government agenda to have people still believe, despite the evidence, that travel is a major driver of viral transmission. We have all made sacrifices, but 8 months on with no sign of Covid abating, we need to reexamine how we live with the virus. In the case of travel, testing before travel is the obvious solution. The Irish media has seemed to drop the human impact of all this. Inter county travel is a smoke screen. My remaining grandmother, I'm unlikely to see her before she dies and when she does, its unlikely I will get to her funeral. "We need to make sacrifices" is one thing, but we dont put ourselves in others shoes when pandering that perspective. Has anyone asked the eldery what they need social and mentally. Imagine what my grandmother feels knowing she is unlikely to see much of her family in person before she dies. (She's not ill or anything but being in her late 90's means its not quite so easy to say "see you in a few months".) There was an article in the Spanish media today which interview pensioners in Spain and asked them for their perspective. They talk about a life now living in fear and loneliness with one person saying, "If the virus doesn't kill us, sadness will". Of course Im not in any way knocking your message of sacrifices. The reality is that many people have made larger sacrifices than others.
theological wrote: » Again. I'm not without sympathy in respect to the sacrifices are necessary. Europe is in the second wave of this pandemic. We're not going to beat it if we try to live the way we did before. I've made significant sacrifices already and I'm willing to make more over winter if we can send the virus packing. That's the only way to get normality.
faceman wrote: » The most concerning thing about the second wave is that Ireland so far is the only country in Europe to be heading toward a full lockdown again. And if he do, it will not because of case numbers are high, it’s because our health system is a shambles and nothing was done since March to address it
saabsaab wrote: » You are putting words in my mouth of course necessary travel would be allowed. You give no evidence that air travel bans affect mental health. Such a claim needs to be backed up.
Irish Aris wrote: » I don't think anyone can claim with certainty or evidence that it affects mental health. My opinion is that it is different for each individual. If I take myself for example, I live in Ireland alone - my parents and sister are in Greece and the prospect of spending Christmas alone sounds unbearable. Thus I will try to visit and spend Christmas with them if there are flights available. I guess you could put such a trip under essential though not absolutely necessary, but from my point of view it will make a big difference mentally to be with my family at that time of the year
saabsaab wrote: » I don't think that individual cases are useful in this context but would a doctor back up that claim?
faceman wrote: » our health system is a shambles and nothing was done since March to address it
Tenzor07 wrote: » Mental health is often overlooked by people and brushed off by others as "you're just having a bad day.." And seeing as you're not Doctor Saab I assume you're not qualified to declare no connection between not being able to travel to see family or take a well deserved break away, I know Doctors, Nurses and Gardai who should not be denied a chance to de-stress on holidays abroad for their mental health, whether you think it should be backed up by detailed medical evidence or not.
theological wrote: » So effectively you think we should just let the virus rip through society and hospitalise those that need it? The restrictions are there to save lives. That's why I'd be happy to accept more measures if they stop the spread of the virus. It is unfortunate to live in a world with coronavirus but the best way to deal with it is to send it packing not to keep it in society and prolonging it with our behaviour.
saabsaab wrote: » I have asked for evidence for a claim that's all. None provided and if a Doctor prescribes such a course of action than so be it.. Using mental health as an excuse for overall continued air travel is wrong.
Tenzor07 wrote: » Not everything is so simple, do you think your employer would accept that your suffering poor mental health that day as an excuse not to come to work? So a Doctors hardly likely to prescribe a day off for you not feeling mentally up for it, but the reason is still valid! Not seeing ones family and friends or having a holiday away from the stress of life in these hard times is a valid reason to travel by air, maybe not for you but that's down to the individual..
saabsaab wrote: » Why should he accept it? I don't think it should be an individual choice. Laws are not up to the individual to obey as they see fit.
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