Tenzor07 wrote: » Sorry, who's arguing against vaccination? You making stuff up now?
My whole point here is that running down to the nearest clinic with your sleeve rolled up to take the first jab that is rushed out to market won't be me...
What medicines cost and what they're sold for are two different things, you or I don't know what they will cost the state per dose!
Or if a vaccine with 70% effectiveness comes out do we borrow billions more to pay for it again?
Tenzor07 wrote: » So not free then, Governments = you and me the taxpayer. Currently the state is €9.4 billion in deficit with one financial quarter to go, so expect another €1 billion to be added onto that. So who's going to pay for it? No increase of income tax this budget but there has to be an emergency one when the first vaccine pops up for sale, how will it be funded if not by an increase in tax? Borrowing? Will the markets be as friendly in 5 months time and offer the state €billions in low cost loans while our economy is flat lined? The only thing propping up the state is the multinational export sectors which when you remove that you get a very scary real picture of how bad the economy is..
Chris_5339762 wrote: » Provided the Phase 3s go well I'll be first in line for the vaccines... banging the door down of the vaccine office.... we can't go on like this, its absolutely ridiculous and is destroying my mental health. Healthcare worker here, living with vulnerable 75 year old parents and no other option. I go to work, come home, say hello and sit in my bedroom for the evening, every evening. (Ok there is a computer with Doom and Untitled Goose Game on it but still). The chances of the vaccine giving me worse effects than the disease are slim. And even if the first vaccines only protect the lungs and don't stop you spreading it, well I'll take that too as it'll protect me from the chance of a bad reaction if I got it. I may splash out on an antibody test first, haven't decided yet. Other than that, give me the vaccine.
hmmm wrote: » Right Right. You forgot to add something like "I have taken vaccinations in the past, but this time....." etc. Another good one is "It takes years to develop vaccines, I'm going to wait until..." (some indeterminate time way off in the future) Many of the manufacturers have already said they will produce at cost (AstraZeneca is one). The EU has already pre-signed purchase deals with those manufacturers - you can look it up yourself what the cost will be per dose. 4 million people by 10 euros a vaccine is 40 million. Even at 100 euros that's 400 million. Just stop with the "billions" stuff.
Tenzor07 wrote: » I didn't forget anything and whatever vaccines I got as a child were proven and tested for over a decade at the time I received it..
Tenzor07 wrote: » None of us fully know how effective this vaccine will be, 50% at best?
Tenzor07 wrote: » The virus is so contagious that even vaccinated you can still be infected and asymptomatic...
The vaccine along with masks, social distance, increased hygiene will all have to be present to stop new cases.... It's not a miracle cure, cases will still happen daily amongst the vaccinated also..
And look after your mental health, being on Boards.ie and reading headlines like what the independant have published "Revealed: Rapid spread of deadly virus 'spiderweb'" will wreck you mentally if you take it all in...
Tenzor07 wrote: » As I've said, i've no problem with someone else being the first one to run down to the clinic with the sleeves rolled up...just won't be me. None of us fully know how effective this vaccine will be, 50% at best? The virus is so contagious that even vaccinated you can still be infected and asymptomatic... The vaccine along with masks, social distance, increased hygiene will all have to be present to stop new cases.... It's not a miracle cure, cases will still happen daily amongst the vaccinated also.. And look after your mental health, being on Boards.ie and reading headlines like what the independant have published "Revealed: Rapid spread of deadly virus 'spiderweb'" will wreck you mentally if you take it all in...
Scuid Mhór wrote: » This is also not true. Not sure where you are getting your information but this is NOT how a vaccine works. It's amazing that you can make such claims about a vaccine that hasn't been developed yet, hasn't been distributed yet. I'm sure Pfizer and Co. would love to have you on the books as a consultant. You seem to know far more about the virus than they do.
JTMan wrote: » The Times reports here (paywall) that the mass roll out of vaccine may take 3 months rather than the often predicted 6 months. Although many are still saying 6 months. Here is now next year might look in the UK: - Scientists working on the Oxford vaccine hope it could be approved by regulators by the end of 2020. - Drive-through vaccination centres are being planned to cope with the huge logistical challenge of administering vaccines to tens of millions of people. - The armed forces are also likely to be called in to help. - To do this in three months would require 1.2 million a day and would mean it would reach a target of Easter, which next year is at the beginning of April. - Ministers are planning to change the law to allow a vaccination programme to begin before the end of the year if UK regulators believe it to be safe, even before it is approved by the European Medicines Agency, to which Britain is bound until January.
Scuid Mhór wrote: » I imagine most countries will implement their military in the vaccination process.
Hmmzis wrote: » Given the size of the trials anything not detected in phase 3 would be very rare. The long term ones can still be detected early if the monitoring of participants is thorough. There are two critical time periods after vaccination where things can go bad: 1. Right after injection (1 sec - 4 days) - that's the allergies, fevers, pains, fainting, dizziness, etc. 2. At seroconversion (2 weeks - 3 months) - that's the auto-immune attacks in case there are self-antigens expressed in the vaccine (the self antigen would be present on the virus as well in any case) and the immune system wasn't able to recognize it as such. These are the side effects everyone means when they talk about long term adverse reactions. It's not that the reaction happens years down the line, it's that it will last a long time after seroconversion. So far from what I've gathered this particular issue has been only observed in a few versions of whole virus inactivated vaccines (flu in particular). I haven't come across any other types being impacted by this issue. After phase 3 the rollout of any vaccine is still monitored and anything that looks out of line is investigated. That's to detect those really rare and difficult to see side effects. For example, if a side effect happens only in 1 out of 100,000 recipients then it's unlikely that even in a 60k phase 3 trial it will be seen, but once 100,000,000 people have had it it might be possible to see the effect above background levels.
Scuid Mhór wrote: » Interesting, all sounds good. I imagine most countries will implement their military in the vaccination process. If you look at all of our testing sites here, I'm pretty sure they are mostly makeshift military bases. The more efficiently this can be done, the better.
ShineOn7 wrote: » How soon till this treatment that Trump is on is available to the public? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/02/health/trump-antibody-treatment.html
Stheno wrote: » Its being rolled out in the UK
ShineOn7 wrote: » Amazing When? And will Ireland get it this year?
Stheno wrote: » https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/03/uk-hospitals-already-using-trump-antibody-drug-says-expert Part of the recovery trial. Several hundred patients in 4 hospitals have gotten it and its being rolled out to another 30/40 hospitals
Widdensushi wrote: » I presume trump has shares in that company
El Sueño wrote: » If it's being given to the president of the US then treatment wise it's surely the front-runner
