is_that_so wrote: » Poor communication either way. "Talk to folks at a level they'll understand" is much better condescending way to say it! Personally a fan of the art of paraphrasing as it can avoid those absolutely precise but confusing words that people may not know.
riffmongous wrote: » I grew up in a rural village and I never once heard anyone talking about biodiversity. Do I think every country person knows exactly what they mean? Not a chance, I'm sure almost everyone could figure it out quickly but you're not going to connect with your audience that way. It's hard to take this thread seriously tbh, if a green party person called round to any of the usual people here and starting talking to them about biodiversity they'd be straight away online afterwards starting a thread going on about how out of touch with the common farmer the green party are. Any excuse here just to have a go at them
Panrich wrote: » And what about Ballymun or Clondalkin? Do they talk much about biodiversity around the dinner table there?
riffmongous wrote: » If you look beyond the 'big words' headline that's what says
Let's talk about the flowers, talk about the cattle. Talk about the robin, the sparrow… I think colloquialism is important and I think simple vocabulary includes everybody.
riffmongous wrote: » Was she talking about clondalkin?
Yurt! wrote: » That's not the Green Party I recognize in the slightest.'
Panrich wrote: » No but that’s the issue. Is there a better understanding of green buzzwords in Clondalkin than Clonakilty? She indicated that there was because one is rural.
Gruffalux wrote: » Haha. I will run with that today for my identity let the party commence. It knocks about 30 years off my age, probably changes my sex and makes up for being labeled a sexist right wing homophobe earlier in the week. Woohoo! Pass the spliff, man.
Gruffalux wrote: » Ms Garvey also advised party members to: "Wear the Clare jersey, go to the hurling matches, get to know your local priest." Haha she is gas. A tweed hat too? A shillelagh maybe? Chew on a stalk of wild cereal from the hedgerow? Maybe you could go all in and use a switch to drive a fat heifer before you wherever you go, calling out "hup!"?
Fighting Tao wrote: » People get their knickers in a twist so easily these days. Communication is only effective if the receiver understands the message. For example, there is no point in an IT expert using technical jargon to those who don’t understand. They have to change words and rephrase into such a manner to assist the message transmission. It is up to the message sender to ensure that the receiver can understand. From all I see here, that is what is going on.
riffmongous wrote: » Yeah and the local councillor talks like that when he's around the village or at a hurling match does he?:rolleyes:
Everlong1 wrote: » It might be an inconvenient truth but she's right. .
Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: » Actually, one of my local councillors does. He's in my local discussion group also and we would have many discussions both at meetings and outside in day to day life about similar issues. I wouldn't be a fan of his party but he readily gets our votes because he can discuss our issues with us as equals. We don't always agree with each other but we can and do discuss issues as equals. Imagine that, discussing issues with folks as equals, absolutely mindblowing concept!
riffmongous wrote: » As you notice yourself, it's atypical.
TheBlackPill wrote: » Please modify your speech to the target audience.. there nobody insulted or patronised. Fianna Fail canvassers have this down to a fine art.. all things to all men
Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: » Curiously, I haven't noticed any outrage from fellow GP attendees at that convention about their attitudes to equality for rural dwellers and Travellers. I mean, if that attitude was atypical, surely some body of members would have objected and pointed out the fallacies in her presentation and that all voters should be treated equally? Very curious, that. Perhaps they might be better served by sorting out their own inadequacies than pointing out others perceived shortcomings?
"I think colloquialism is important and I think simple vocabulary includes everybody. "It's not your job to show off that you know cool terms when you’re canvassing. It's to show that you can relate to everybody," she said.
Yamanoto wrote: » Perhaps that was true back in the day, but the younger wing of the party (including those who vehemently opposed entry into coalition government) are cultural Marxists and SJW's, who's policies are a world away from insulating your attic, taxing carbon and brewing up some elderflower wine.
OscarMIlde wrote: » There are plenty of very intelligent people in Clondalkin. It's a working class Dublin area that established an Irish speaking community centre, TWO primary gaelscoileanna, and a secondary gealscoil, at a time when it was neither trendy nor government supported to undertake such measures.
meeeeh wrote: » I live in rural area. My neighbours are relatively big farmers, business owners, doctors, teachers, engineers, pharmacists, accountants and similar. I don't think telling us that we don't understand big words will solve their problem. Despite what green party leftwing thinks their main base is middle class, relatively educated and enthusiastic about going to farmers market and doing a bit of cycling on their holidays. SF and to some extent FF will hoover up voters who don't do big words. Green party are more in danger of alienating well off rural votes they could get than winning any new ones with talking about birds and bees.
Fighting Tao wrote: » The speech was modified to the target audience, the Green Party convention. I really don’t get why people are getting so offended. We all modify our speech for the target audience. The target audience here was not the rural population or travellers.
Yurt! wrote: » That's not the Green Party I recognize in the slightest. Activists I know are architects, engineers, scientists and in other skilled occupations. Have their head screwed on and are a degree more thoughtful with a more defined vision for the economy and society than the average yahoo from the 'big 2' parties, who can often be just loudmouths on-the-make. They have an image problem in rural areas, but then again there are parts (only parts mind you) of rural Ireland that are completely resistant to sensible planning and a farming lobby that for the longest time thought it was their constitutioanal right to harm our shared environment (again, they're slowly coming around to the ideas that the environment is there for us all). That said, this Senator's notions on rural voters and 'big words' are patronising sh*te. The neighbors either side of my homestead, well in the sticks would eat her for breakfast with 'big words.'
MrMusician18 wrote: » To be honest I think you've hit the nail on the head there. There are some posters here who would find fault with anything the greens do. Tailoring your language to your audience is something that politicians do. For example George Washingtons inauguration speech was to fellow senators and congressmen and the language is of college graduate level. Obama's and Trump's inauguration speech was at a third/fourth grade level.
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