theological wrote: » 1 person coming back from an infected country that then continues socialising with others and could pass it on. This can then mothball.
faceman wrote: » Simple really. We look at evidence from other EU countries who have a more thorough contact tracing system process than Ireland. As I said, the stat is less than 2%
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » And who have the same acceptance of tourists as Ireland and a seamless border?
faceman wrote: » Eh. You do realise most of Europe opened mid June?
normanoffside wrote: » You're missing out on a very important point: we are an infected country and we are stopping people travelling to/from much less infected countries.
theological wrote: » The tourist season is over. An opportunity was wasted in the summer to stop an importation of cases.
3xh wrote: » Now we can see for sure you’re just not getting it.
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Oh yeah, So how is Spain France Germany doing?
faceman wrote: » You’re expecting me to say what exactly? I can give an in-depth answer about Spain if you’d like? Like I said, travel accounts for less than 2% in each of those countries. Take you head out of the sand and actually read the data beyond the headlines.
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » I don't for one minute believe any country in the world can say and be correct where ALL their cases have come from. It's impossible. 2% is a stab in the dark. We have 25% community transmission. You take your head out of the sand.
theological wrote: » It's a two sided coin. People shouldn't be travelling to other countries if they are leaving a country with a high infection rate. I don't know why it is so difficult to stay where you are for a year. There's plenty of places one can go to in Ireland and the autumn is firmly here. The tourist season is over. An opportunity was wasted in the summer to stop an importation of cases.
theological wrote: » Except there are documented cases of spread because people came back from travel and the socialised with others and passed the virus on. There's lots of examples of this. I don't know why there's so strong a need to ignore this. If a tree of infections is caused by one person and then mothballs to 100 through community spread in a month then it still stands that all of this infection would have been prevented if this initial person stayed at home. Not getting what? The continued selfishness of this argument?
Tenzor07 wrote: » The plenty of people who went on holiday all over Ireland, were also carriers of the Virus, look at the rates of infection all over the country, Donegal a popular domestic holiday destination now on lockdown! So would you not agree that all travel by plane, boat, car, foot should come to a halt and we should all stay indoors at home?
theological wrote: » Internally it is easier to control the virus because we have the data. Contact tracing is also easier. People obviously shouldn't be travelling from areas with extra restrictions anyway but principally controlling the virus within national borders should be possible. This task is made more difficult when people introduce more of the virus from abroad while this effort is ongoing. On my personal circumstances I live in outer London and have been following the guidance. I've not travelled outside the UK since last year.
saabsaab wrote: » Allowing unnecessary foreign travel is like trying to empty the bath with the bath taps still running.
Tenzor07 wrote: » Stopping travel now is like putting the toothpaste back into the tube The Dam broke in China, no one stopped it and now we're all swimming in it, so let's learn to Swim strongly against it and not let our heads be submerged in it, until there's a safe and effective vaccine/cure.
saabsaab wrote: » Lets stay put as far as possible until there is a vaccine. Can't be too far off now. Waiting will save lives. If there isn't a vaccine say by March next then open things up as we will have to live with it or die as the case may be.
saabsaab wrote: » Now is not the time to open up, best to wait it won't be forever. It shouldn't be that long.
Tenzor07 wrote: » Can't control a Virus with border closures unless hermetically sealed and you know that anyway. Anyhoo, we've had this debate many many times and it just goes around in circles. You've been sat at home, I've travelled all over Europe, or at least a good part of it, and that's where we both stand on the issue.
johnire wrote: » https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/faqs.html Copied directly from the CDC website dated September 14th...... Travel increases your chance of getting and spreading COVID-19.
3xh wrote: » I suspect I still won’t have convinced you.
3xh wrote: » Clearly selective evidence. Here’s our official statistics from gov.iehttps://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/5a3f4-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-saturday-3-october/ Travel is 2.3% of our cases. And has been consistently so. You’re still ignoring the fact it’s patently safer for a Covid negative person from West Dublin to spend a week in Germany or Finland than Blanchardstown shopping centre and the local schools. It’s masks, hand gel, social distancing, sterilised cleaning of aircraft and airport terminal touch pints and a Covid test upon arrival if travelling there. I suspect I still won’t have convinced you.
johnire wrote: » Yes but that’s 2.3% of a tiny amount of people travelling. I think the point that’s trying to be made is that if travel was at normal rates then that figure and the subsequent number of infections would be quite large.
saabsaab wrote: » Going to be irrelevant soon as the continuing rise in cases here will lead to lockdowns before christmas and nobody except a few die hards will want us to travel to their countries anyway,
