Tenzor07 wrote: » Case rate near me in Blanchardstown/Mulhuddart is 196/100k.... much safer to travel abroad than visit the shops and other crowded areas there...
fly_agaric wrote: » Not going abroad for a holiday until this is over isn't "staying home and hiding under your bed until the vaccine comes".
theological wrote: » This is precisely the reason why you shouldn't travel somewhere else. You could import the virus to other countries. It is a two sided coin.
Tenzor07 wrote: » Going to another country, getting a test upon or previous to arrival, testing negative and getting on with your travel abroad...so yes you can and should travel for many reasons...
saabsaab wrote: » A negative test doesn't mean you don't have covid. Just that it hasn't shown up, yet! There will be some essential reasons to travel but there are many reasons not to otherwise.
theological wrote: » A test on arrival wouldn't prove anything if it is in the incubation period you can still test negative until you develop symptoms later. Hence why Iceland scrapped this and required quarantine.
Tenzor07 wrote: » A negative test means you haven't got it and aren't spreading it... so your argument not to travel abroad at this stage in the pandemic is nonsense.... Travel isn't responsible for the surge of cases... You're going to come back and say blah blah but travel shouldn't happen.... when contract tracing reports in Northern and Southern travel say it's not a major driver of infection, so go ahead and spread your hyperbole...
normanoffside wrote: » Getting a negative PCR test within 3 days before travelling significantly decreases the risk of bringing Covid into a country. If you could then get a Rapid test (even if less accurate they are supposed to be 97% accurate) on arrival there'd be more risk of bringing Covid back from your holidays than there is of bringing it back from the supermarket. People want to travel and people will be happy to pay testing and abide by rules to make it safer once they are brought in. Banning travel by 'tut tutting' at people rather introducing rules for safe travel is idiotic and helps no one.
saabsaab wrote: » Above just not true! You could have it. Travel of course spreads it how did it come here in the first place?
johnire wrote: » Not taking sides here but that poster does have a valid point that everyone in their responses seem to be conveniently ignoring..... travel does spread the virus. Of course it does..... it originated in China and is now essentially in every country in the world. If travel doesn’t spread it then how can that be? I know I’m over simplifying but I’m just making the point that’s it’s not fair to dismiss someone’s point of view-a factual one - just because it doesn’t suit your narrative.
Tenzor07 wrote: » See point above, no one dismissed anything, i'm saying that travel is not the main driver of spikes in infections so therefore look to the ways that are spreading the increase in cases instead. These two posters want a full travel ban when it won't do anything to stop the spikes we are seeing with infections in Ireland.
saabsaab wrote: » It is still a factor and would go some way at least to stopping the spread. How could it not.
johnire wrote: » It’s interesting to hear the views of people living abroad regarding travel and tourists-more specifically us Irish travelling abroad. I’ve spoken to friends of mine -two who live in different parts of Spain and one who lives in Germany and I can tell you from their point of view the Irish can stay put! They’re horrified at our Covid figures and their attitude is that they don’t want Irish tourists travelling potentially spreading the virus-their words not mine. Interesting too that two of them work in the hospitality trade and even though they’re crying out for tourists they don’t want them at any price- certainly not from Ireland it seems at the moment anyway!
Golfman64 wrote: » Very interesting to see what will likely be the new intra-EU travel policy from Mid-October, posted by Ryanair today.. Opens up a significant volume of travel and will be adopted by all EU states in mid October, once ratified This should represent a much needed boost for the aviation, travel and hospitality sectors under a common and more importantly, a safe set of agreed rules and regulations.
johnire wrote: » That still isn’t going to offer any real peace of mind though when booking a trip. Almost certainly you’re not going to book anywhere that’s not in the green zone. Even then who’s to say that when the time comes for you to go where your destination country is going to be. It could have moved to an orange or even red status. It’ll still be incredibly uncertain.
saabsaab wrote: » Of course they don't why would they, being sensible.
theological wrote: » It's been explained several times why this isn't true. 1 person coming back from an infected country that then continues socialising with others and could pass it on. This can then mothball. Even though the original case of coronavirus originated from a foreign country the others will be counted as community spread even if the cause of their infection was ultimately from travel. This is why the logic is bad. The reason for stopping travel is to give the virus less opportunities to spread until it is under control. The defeatist it'll never go away attitude is precisely the reason why it will never go away. If it is to go away it requires our consistent efforts.
faceman wrote: » With all due respect saabsaab, you’re perpetuating a very extreme view that is taking an a la carte use of news and articles Travel accounts for less than 2% of cases period. Since June airlines have stricter hygiene controls with masks and social distancing in place. There’s a graph of risk factors for catching the virus that the WHO produced that shows flying on a plane is less risky than going to a bar or restaurant. There is very little social activities that come without risk and shutting down sectors of the economy is doing far more harm, mental health, medically and economically, then covid. That’s not pseudo science, that’s fact. Other countries recognise the risks of travel and have opened their borders. Ireland has the strictest rules in Europe, and it hasn’t made any difference here as our cases are getting back to lockdown levels. Science has shown us that the virus doesn’t like the outdoors, therefore Irish people visiting sunny locations where they will be predominantly outdoors carries less risk than staying in Ireland. No risk of house parties for the vast majority of people when on holiday either My region in Spain, the Valencia region, has a similar population to Ireland. No doubt Spain is encountering the most severe second wave in Europe. However the Valencia region, population 5.1m, is performing better than Ireland with cases less than Ireland and have been for sometime. Spain opened its borders the same time as most of Europe. International travel counted for very little case numbers. What drove case numbers across the country was house parties and family gatherings. Domestic travel spread the virus. Bars in cities, particularly nightclubs and karaoke bars were a problem in some areas. (Bizarrely Spain allowed nightclubs open if dancing wasn’t permitted. They eventually closed nightclubs) The Valencia region had a predominantly pro active population. People were mostly disciplined. In Spain mask wearing is mandatory and social distancing enforced. Police check bars and restaurants regularly and shut them down. €100 on the spot fine for not wearing a mask. I can’t walk in to the local supermarket with passing the security guard who not only checks I’m wearing a mask, he also checks I use the hand santiser by the door. We do none of this in Ireland. Links to the scientific risks of travel have been posted numerous times in this and other threads so I’m not reposting. Travel turned in to a non story. Even Leo and Covoney admitted that.
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Community transmission is 25%. How can you prove that 25% wasn't caused by overseas tourists travelling all over the country?
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